UNC ONLY BASKETBALL 2024-25 SEASON

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duluoz said:
Any evaluation of HD needs to consider a number of things that are getting overlooked or downplayed… including that initially he inherited a roster that wasn’t setting the world on fire. Plus if I remember correctly, Kessler (now an NBA rotation player) was transferring even before Roy stepped down. A guy like Dawson Garcia who was only a sophomore (pretty sure?) had family issues. The Caleb Love roller coaster, which derailed the chemistry of a team with high expectations. There was every reason to expect Pete Nance was going to be more than he was. Other guys who were expected to be key players transferring out due to the relaxed portal/covid rules, or key recruits being lost in close recruiting battles…

So while there’s clearly room for improvement for HD and staff, it’s been a very challenging stretch for all programs (but especially for HD in the ways I just mentioned), and there’s no reason for me to believe anyone else would’ve done much better than a run to the title game with coach K’s scalp on the end of it (and without Bacot’s ankle there’s another banner up there), and then the very impressive season last season, despite the early exit.

So all the “see, I knew HD was a bad choice because he never coached before” whiners can eat a dick.

My take is that he’s probably been too proud and too slow to accept the realities of NIL and mastering how things work these days (and have always worked for some programs), and that has cost him new and portal recruits.

And also that he needs surround himself on his staff, and needs to target players who are total dogs — with fire in their eyes and a chip on their shoulders. More in the spirit of his early Knicks teams. I don’t give a shit how many stars they have next to their names. That kind of thing can only be coached so much, so it needs to be identified and more highly valued in the recruitment process.

But if there’s a tailspin the rest of this season and these things don’t come together in a hurry, then it may be a forgone conclusion anyway. But it won’t be because “he was never a head coach before” which is a load of bullshit. This was not some green assistant coach who started in the film room. He highly achieved at every level of basketball, including in the media and as Roy’s right hand man for a national title. He demonstrated a deep understanding of basketball at every level. His resume was unassailable and Roy clearly knew that too.

But the results are mixed, so I’m hoping he can push the right buttons to get things turned around in a hurry. For his sake and everyone’s.
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And… Dean got the job with no HC experience didn’t he?
Didn’t Roy get the KU job with no HC experience?
 
duluoz said:
I would be embarrassed for having thought something this dumb, much less having typed it and put it on the internet thinking it had value for others to read.

But if you ever meet Hubert, Roy, or even Dean in another life, let’s see you look them in the eyes with a straight face and tell them Hubert was essentially a new HS grad who had done nothing to “earn” the job at daddy’s plant.
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I'm going to be kind here.

I normally like you as a poster and think this is way out of the norm for you.

I have no idea why my post would engender this kind of response from you. It's fine if you disagree with my perspective and point, but this kind of over-the-top response is a bad look for you.

Hubert was in no way, shape, or form qualified by any objective measures to take over a Top 3 program in college basketball. There were never any reports of him being lauded as a key assistant coach for the Heels and no reports that he was a sought-after coach by other programs. He was, in essence, a nepo hire because Roy wanted him as the next coach.
 
SnoopRob said:
Hubert was in no way, shape, or form qualified by any objective measures to take over a Top 3 program in college basketball. There were never any reports of him being lauded as a key assistant coach for the Heels and no reports that he was a sought-after coach by other programs. He was, in essence, a nepo hire because Roy wanted him as the next coach.
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Every word this.

I was stunned by the hire but so wanted it to work. He was one of my favorite players when he played and comes off as a great guy and would be a great representative of the basketball program but this ship was sailed. It’s time to move on.
 
If HD can’t get this season turned around then he needs to be let go at the end of the season so UNC can move on. We went through a Dead-man-walking season with Mack, we don’t need to waste a year repeating it with HD. I’m pulling hard for HD and the team but reality is reality.
 
Ugh. Just looked it up, and this is the most losses UNC has ever had by January 2 since I’ve been watching UNC hoops, and perhaps ever. To put things in perspective, the 2002, 2020, and 2023 teams each had 5 losses by this date. The 2010 team had 3 losses by this date.
 
Icky Mettle said:
Ugh. Just looked it up, and this is the most losses UNC has ever had by January 2 since I’ve been watching UNC hoops, and perhaps ever. To put things in perspective, the 2002, 2020, and 2023 teams each had 5 losses by this date. The 2010 team had 3 losses by this date.
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UNC could end up having 3 of it's worst seasons in the last 6 years.
 
Icky Mettle said:
Ugh. Just looked it up, and this is the most losses UNC has ever had by January 2 since I’ve been watching UNC hoops, and perhaps ever. To put things in perspective, the 2002, 2020, and 2023 teams each had 5 losses by this date. The 2010 team had 3 losses by this date.
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Some of that seems to be more a quirk of scheduling and dates than anything else.

We have 6 losses right now, but each of the teams with 5 losses got their 6th loss on Jan 5th (2002), Jan 4th (2020), and Jan 10th (2023). In the case of the 2002 team, that dropped them to a losing record at 5-6. Add in that we've played a much tougher OOC schedule than any of those teams and I'm not sure that this really tells us much.

I do think this team is pretty similar to our 2020 and 2023 teams, but I guess we'll have to see how it plays out.
 
uncsig said:
Don't think he was going to stick around even if offered. Think he was pissed he didn't get the job.
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That’s my understanding, as well.

Over time I’ve wondered, provided that’s accurate, if he was more upset at Carolina for not hiring him or at Roy for clearly favoring Hubert as his successor.
 
SnoopRob said:
Some of that seems to be more a quirk of scheduling and dates than anything else.

We have 6 losses right now, but each of the teams with 5 losses got their 6th loss on Jan 5th (2002), Jan 4th (2020), and Jan 10th (2023). In the case of the 2002 team, that dropped them to a losing record at 5-6. Add in that we've played a much tougher OOC schedule than any of those teams and I'm not sure that this really tells us much.

I do think this team is pretty similar to our 2020 and 2023 teams, but I guess we'll have to see how it plays out.
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I’ll tweak things a bit and say that— outside of 2002 when we started 5-9– this is the worst record we’ve had in the first 14 games of a season since I’ve been watching UNC hoops. In 2010, we were 11-3. In 2020, we were 9-5. And we were 10-4 in 2023. We were also 9-5 in 2003 and 2021.
 
Hiring someone with no HC experience is always going to have some risk, but shouldn’t be a disqualification in a vacuum (even at a place like UNC) if the person actually has the chops to be the head guy at a major program. There are plenty of examples out there of people making that leap successfully.

The problem is that Hubert never fit that profile as this highly sought after long time assistant like a Tommy Lloyd or Jerome Tang. All of the people banging the table for Hubert right now, be honest with yourselves: how many other programs would have been lining up to hire him as an HC if we never promoted him? I don’t think any team would have even considered him as a serious option.
 
Icky Mettle said:
I’ll tweak things a bit and say that— outside of 2002 when we started 5-9– this is the worst record we’ve had in the first 14 games of a season since I’ve been watching UNC hoops. In 2010, we were 11-3. In 2020, we were 9-5. And we were 10-4 in 2023. We were also 9-5 in 2003 and 2021.
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That’s a fair adjustment, but then I think you have to look at strength of schedule for each squad to see how good the comparison is.

We’ve played an incredibly hard OOC schedule this year. If we’d have chosen a more forgiving OOC schedule, we could likely have a much improved record right now and be closer to something like 10-4.
 
stankeylegjones said:
How many folks feel like the program is headed in the right direction, and improving over the last few years?
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That's a no. I'm of the mind that even if things improve this season, and they could. I just don't feel great about where the program is. Last year felt like a "turn the corner" kind of year, but no, not really.
 
Last nigh just showed who our best overall player is. If Seth gets better we will win several ACC games just on fact that there are several god awful teams. Doesnt mean we are getting better.

Not going to matter because Hubes is dead man walking this year
 
For those, like me, who don't feel like the program is at least headed in the right direction, HD has had ample time to get it going in the right direction. It's time to thank him for what he's done, and move on. Another year should not be given. It's clear that he's not ready for the job.
 
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