UNC ONLY BASKETBALL 2024-25 SEASON

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superrific said:
Caleb is still taking those shots. Sometimes the coach can only do so much. Maybe using the bench would have helped put discipline in Caleb, but maybe not.
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I know...I've seen some of those Arizona games.
Coach Smith would have nipped that in the bud...thats for sure . So it always surprised me that he didn't do that the first year. I mean my man shot 38% from 2 (and 36% from 3); for the record he didn't shoot that great under Roy, but Roy would yank him for bad shots. He was jacking like there's no tomorrow in Hubert's first year. And I know the options on the bench weren't great but that's one of those things that you have to set the boundaries on early in the season.
 
Charlotte1204 said:
Amen. There's a lot of "He's had two good seasons." Nope. In 2022, we were planted firmly on the bubble until that Duke win and then a couple of wins in the ACCT bounced us in as an 8 seed.
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You know, prior to that Duke game, I think we were safely off the bubble. Prior to that game, we had “only” 8 losses on the season and we were second in the conference. Even if we had lost that game at Duke and our first ACCT game, we would have been 22-10 as of selection Sunday, and would have finished tied for 4th in the conference. And we had won 4 in a row going into that game at Duke (and 6 out of our last 7). All that most likely would have been good enough to make the NCAAT. Not that much of the season prior to that game at Duke was all that fun to watch, however.
 
TullyHeel said:
So it wasn't even really 1.5 good seasons. More like one good season and one good month.
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Notice I said 1.5 outta 3.5 seasons... meaning a full 2 were crapola. This season looks like it's over... but it isn't. I'm not saying 1.5 > 2... he's had more bad than good so I'll agree with you there. However, no matter what we say here, or what we agree on, the facts are: Hubert has won 91 out of 132 games. A winning % of 69% against a very good SOS (look it up). A coach of the year honor; a final four/final game berth, a ACC Reg Season Championship, A Naismith Award Semifinalist... vanquished K...

Even though we've had more crapola than good under Hubert... he's still gotta chance to see another season. Whether we like it or not. He's got a chance.

All that said, there's also a chance he will be asked for his resignation too...
 
CRHeel94 said:
I know...I've seen some of those Arizona games.
Coach Smith would have nipped that in the bud...thats for sure . So it always surprised me that he didn't do that the first year. I mean my man shot 38% from 2 (and 36% from 3); for the record he didn't shoot that great under Roy, but Roy would yank him for bad shots. He was jacking like there's no tomorrow in Hubert's first year. And I know the options on the bench weren't great but that's one of those things that you have to set the boundaries on early in the season.
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And Roy yanking him did what exactly? I mean, you're not wrong in general, but some guys can't be fixed.

I think the difference is that Dean would have had someone else on the bench to step up if Caleb didn't get some discipline.
 
Icky Mettle said:
You know, prior to that Duke game, I think we were safely off the bubble. Prior to that game, we had “only” 8 losses on the season and we were second in the conference. Even if we had lost that game at Duke and our first ACCT game, we would have been 22-10 as of selection Sunday, and would have finished tied for 4th in the conference. And we had won 4 in a row going into that game at Duke (and 6 out of our last 7). All that most likely would have been good enough to make the NCAAT. Not that much of the season prior to that game at Duke was all that fun to watch, however.
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There is no way we were "safely" off the bubble before the dook game.

Even with the dook win and an ACCT win, we got an 8-seed. The ACC got 5 teams in seeded 2, 8, 10, 11, 11.

If we don't win that dook game and we lose in the first round of the ACCT, we're squarely on the bubble. I do think we'd have ended up making it in, but we would have been right in the middle of the bubble discussion.
 
Just read that Dook NIL $ this year - just on basketball is $24.3M. What are we spending? $3M. Let's get a General Manager then complain. We are not in the ballgame yet... we will soon.
 
Overheard in the handshake line after the dook game: Dookie: "So what are they giving you?" Carolina player: "I get a 4 year scholly and $75,000." Dookie: "Dude! Slavery days are over! Get outta there!" Carolina guy: "I know, right? I'm just mailing in the rest of this season and jumping in the Portal ASAP"
 
It's understandable that we aren't competing with the dook's of the world if our NIL is so woefully underfunded, although those numbers don't seem accurate to me. But that doesn't change the fact that this roster should be better than barely over 500 in a terrible ACC.
 
Enigma94 said:
It's understandable that we aren't competing with the dook's of the world if our NIL is so woefully underfunded, although those numbers don't seem accurate to me. But that doesn't change the fact that this roster should be better than barely over 500 in a terrible ACC.
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Agree with both. How is a program like UNC not one of the top 5 in getting money, though?
 
SnoopRob said:
There is no way we were "safely" off the bubble before the dook game.

Even with the dook win and an ACCT win, we got an 8-seed. The ACC got 5 teams in seeded 2, 8, 10, 11, 11.

If we don't win that dook game and we lose in the first round of the ACCT, we're squarely on the bubble. I do think we'd have ended up making it in, but we would have been right in the middle of the bubble discussion.
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"If we don't win..."
"If" a frog had wings...
We finished 29-10 against the 19th most difficult schedule in the country that year. Our SOS rating was 10.3. Kansas was rated #1 at 12.0.
dook that year was rated #22 in SOS - behind us - at 10.2
But yeah, we sucked.
We were 17-6 before the first dook game, with all 6 losses on the road/away from home - versus a top 20 schedule.
17-6. Yeah, sure... that's not "great" compared to a traditional Carolina season... but 17-6 against that schedule is not what one should call "terrible" and "we sucked" then.
If we were so terrible that season, how did we beat dook 2x times? How did we make it to the final game with a 15 point halftime lead?
Yes, we weren't playing that "great" the first semester... 17-6... but it wasn't "terrible/we sucked"
And after that first dook game, we go 12-3. Ooh we lost 3 out of 15 - we sucked then too I guess.
No, 2021-2022 wasn't a stupendously great season by old-school Carolina standards... but to say we sucked "except for the last month" is ludicrous.
I said we've had 1.5 good seasons vs. 2 bad ones.
The first season was 4 months long. The first 2 months were so-so... the last 2 months were great. Thus: half the season was good basketball. That's all I'm saying. Please quit trying to re-write history with this "only had one good month" that season.
TarSpiel said:
Is that accurate?

If so, Jeez. Explains a lot.

But that can't be right. We have to be spending more than 3 mil.
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I'm not 100% sure about that, I'm quoting somebody else on another site... but I'll bet we're not spending 1/2 as much s dook. And as you say, that explains a lot, even if just 1/2 as much.
 
I feel like NIL is a cheap excuse. If you want to say that our NIL situation is the difference between being a fringe top 25 team that maybe makes a S16 appearance and being a legitimate national championship contender that could at least make Dook work to win the ACC, then I could buy that for sure. It does not account for a 13-10 record, being down by 30 during the first half against Dook when NCST took them to the wire a few days prior, losing to teams like Stanford and Wake Forest, and letting one of the worst teams in the country in BC take you to OT at home. We probably spend more on NIL than those latter 3 programs combined. I also highly, highly doubt that Dook is spending 8x as much as we are on NIL this season. Would be very curious where people got that number.
 
Peppers49 said:
I feel like NIL is a cheap excuse. If you want to say that our NIL situation is the difference between being a fringe top 25 team that maybe makes a S16 appearance and being a legitimate national championship contender that could at least make Dook work to win the ACC, then I could buy that for sure. It does not account for a 13-10 record, being down by 30 during the first half against Dook when NCST took them to the wire a few days prior, losing to teams like Stanford and Wake Forest, and letting one of the worst teams in the country in BC take you to OT at home. We probably spend more on NIL than those latter 3 programs combined. I also highly, highly doubt that Dook is spending 8x as much as we are on NIL this season. Would be very curious where people got that number.
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I agree with all of this. It also took a miracle 4 point play in the last 10 seconds to beat 10-11 Notre Dame. NIL may be an issue for competing in the top ten, but it's no excuse to not be in the top 40.
 
Flagg's NIL valuation ballooned to $3.3 million - just by himself - in 2024. But that's not what dook is actually "giving" him. He got a ton of that through NIL deals with New Balance, etc.

Where Carolina missed out - and where more NIL deals could have helped - was in replacing Bacot with another big. All those bigs we missed out on. Does anyone argue that getting that one "big" wouldn't have made a huge difference with this team this season? If not, then yes, NIL would make a difference between 13-10 and say, 17-6.

Oh, but that's right, 17-6 still sux... so yeah, you're correct - more NIL would still not make any difference in this team or this season.

Ergo, screw more NIL... let's just fire Hubert and hire __________ (and not get any more NIL or a GM) and everything's going to be just dandy. We don't have to play the NIL game like the Alabama's or the dook's... we got this! Screw more NIL money - as it obviously makes no difference! It's a cheap excuse!
 
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