United Healthcare CEO shot and killed

This guy strikes me as a classic Monty Python-style anarcho-syndicalist. In most prior times, that would put him firmly on the far left, but when the GOP makes space for someone like RFK, I guess it could go either way.
 
This guy seems like he might be in the online Unabomber cult. There are quite a few of them out there, attracted to the Unabomber’s manifesto. This CEO may be a latter day victim of the Unabomber (his ghost/continuing influence). Releasing the manifesto helped catch him but it has fueled some anarchist-ish lone wolves (sometimes Neo-Luddites (leftist-anarchist), others Eco-Fascists (right wing)) since then:

“… the publication of that manifesto had other consequences. It has inspired copycat attacks and is claimed as an influence by others who have gone on to commit atrocities around the world.

It begins with the words: “The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.” And then goes on to detail Kaczynski’s belief in the need for violent rebellion against modern technology and those who help develop it.

Last week (2023), the billionaire tech entrepreneur Elon Musk tweeted “he might not be wrong”. …”

www.theguardian.com

The death of the Unabomber: will his dangerous influence live on? – podcast

Ted Kaczynski died in prison earlier this month, but his manifesto promoting violent rebellion against the modern world continues to inspire copycat attacks
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“… “Eco-fascism” is receiving renewed attentionfollowing the recent far-right terrorist attack at a supermarket in Buffalo, New York. In his manifesto, the perpetrator hailed as an inspiration the 2019 Christchurch attacker, himself a self-declared “eco-fascist,’’ and plagiarised his manifesto’s section on environmentalism which described immigration as “environmental warfare” and ‘’destructive to nature.’’ Notably, the Buffalo attacker also quoted Ted Kaczynski, otherwise known as the Unabomber, excerpting Kaczynski’s critiques of leftists from his 1995 anti-technology manifesto Industrial Society and its Future (he was not the first far-right terrorist to do so, Anders Breivik also plagiarised Kaczynski’s manifesto in 2011).

Kaczynski is a figure contemporary eco-fascists have coalesced around. Indeed he has been increasingly co-opted by the broader far-right in recent years. …”

icct.nl

Ted Kaczynski, Anti-Technology Radicalism and Eco-Fascism

Disclaimer: Primary sources, including quotations, are not linked within the text for ethical reasons. Readers interested in obtaining primary material may contact the authors directly.
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But there has been a noticeable uptick in violent ideation on the left in more mainstream social media recently, at least it seems so to me (so anecdotally). This particular killer may be a left-wing Unabomber cultist, I guess we will find out at some point. But more and more the far right and far left extremists seem to share a lot of rhetoric and ideation, even if their stated goals (or reasons for them, like depopulation to save the planet on the left among eco-terrorists or de-population on the right among eco-fascists to protect the God-given resources to preserve and sustain white culture), they seem to be living in the space where the ideology clock curves back to meet at extremist midnight.
 
NCK9 said:
26 pages might be a record for how long a thread can exist without anyone speculating which 'team' a suspect is on.
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Not knowing the shooter's real identity until yesterday probably had something to do with it.

Speculation when there is no information available is just speculation, but that is no longer the case. The tweet is in response to a NY Post article painting him as a radical leftist, indicating from actual screen-caps of the suspect's social media posts that it may not be as clear-cut as the Post article would suggest.

What is it exactly that you find distasteful?
 
Calheel said:
Absent juror nullification, ain't no way this guy is getting acquitted.

And I suspect the prosecution will put some gnarly autopsy photos in front of the jury to make darn sure that doesn't happen.
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Correct, it's not likely. But it's foolhardy to think his appearance and motives won't change the calculus with lots of potential jurors, if even a little. Whether we're talking OJ, Jeffrey MacDonald, Casey Anthony, or the Menendez brothers (1st trial hung jury, despite a confession), appearance and affiliations can make a huge difference, even if we're talking 0.5% to 1% acquittal or hung jury.
 
nycfan said:
But there has been a noticeable uptick in violent ideation on the left in more mainstream social media recently, at least it seems so to me (so anecdotally). This particular killer may be a left-wing Unabomber cultist, I guess we will find out at some point. But more and more the far right and far left extremists seem to share a lot of rhetoric and ideation, even if their stated goals (or reasons for them, like depopulation to save the planet on the left among eco-terrorists or de-population on the right among eco-fascists to protect the God-given resources to preserve and sustain white culture), they seem to be living in the space where the ideology clock curves back to meet at extremist midnight.
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Far Right & Far Left: Two doors to the same hell.
 
Paine said:
He seems exactly like the young men we talk about in the red pilled young men thread.
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It will be fascinating to see what, if any, online source radicalized him. Upon first glance, he was wealthy, attractive, fit, highly intelligent, an Ivy League grad, from a prominent family, and lived in Hawaii. He’s doesn’t appear to be an easy target to radicalize.
 
Paine said:
He seems exactly like the young men we talk about in the red pilled young men thread.
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He does? I must have tapped out of that thread early, b/c when I think of red-pilled it isn't masters degree from an Ivy, wealthy and well connected family, quoter of Kurt Vonnegut, athletic, and attractive.

ETA: my post was left hanging for a few minutes before submitting - didn't see Willy's near identical post.
 
Bobfripp said:
For psychosis, I believe it tends to occur even earlier, late teens, early 20s is typical for men.
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Bobfripp said:
For psychosis, I believe it tends to occur even earlier, late teens, early 20s is typical for men.
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I once read the FBI report on domestic terrorism. In there it talked about people who started showing their mental illness looking for a cause for their problems that they didn't understand, paranoia, voices for example. Often they blame other races for it and cause them to commit violence that no one expected. The right wing violence talked about in the FBI report was mostly due to a young white guy with a gun not part of any any particular group and how it is impossible to predict
 
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HeelingAg said:
He does? I must have tapped out of that thread early, b/c when I think of red-pilled it isn't masters degree from an Ivy, wealthy and well connected family, quoter of Kurt Vonnegut, athletic, and attractive.

ETA: my post was left hanging for a few minutes before submitting - didn't see Willy's near identical post.
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Here are a couple of retweets from his Twitter feed. Keep in mind that this isn't particularly recent and it is two posts out of hundreds of posts so it's definitely cherry-picked, but maybe something there.



 
Paine said:
“Like many well-off young people, he comes from a bourgeois family that owns property but decided instead of business to pursue a high-status profession that’s supposed to be about rationally improving the world, only to find that idealistic path blocked in various frustrating ways. Even for the ‘normal’ and relatively successful something feels terribly broken and alienating. When you combine these things you will get tragic and desperate attempts at heroism. The crowd already loves it.”
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It's harder and harder to be good and do good in this country even for those that want to do good and be good because of the way our country is full of greed, bigotry, racism and Christian nationalism. All you have to do is look at how a person as deplorable as Trump gets elected President not once but twice. It really is hard to think the majority of people here are good people anymore.
 
HeelingAg said:
Correct, it's not likely. But it's foolhardy to think his appearance and motives won't change the calculus with lots of potential jurors, if even a little. Whether we're talking OJ, Jeffrey MacDonald, Casey Anthony, or the Menendez brothers (1st trial hung jury, despite a confession), appearance and affiliations can make a huge difference, even if we're talking 0.5% to 1% acquittal or hung jury.
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Well the Menendez actually had a good argument. The second judge wouldn’t let them put on a battered woman defense because they weren’t women. Which seems absurd in 2024.

The issue in that case was manslaughter vs murder, not complete acquittal. Lots of evidence to support a manslaughter argument.

OJ and Casey had viable defenses. Luigi couldn’t possibly have more incriminating evidence on his person at the time of the arrest.
 
Willy said:
It will be fascinating to see what, if any, online source radicalized him. Upon first glance, he was wealthy, attractive, fit, highly intelligent, an Ivy League grad, from a prominent family, and lived in Hawaii. He’s doesn’t appear to be an easy target to radicalize.
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Check out Osama bin Laden’s background.
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But there has been a noticeable uptick in violent ideation on the left in more mainstream social media recently, at least it seems so to me (so anecdotally). This particular killer may be a left-wing Unabomber cultist, I guess we will find out at some point. But more and more the far right and far left extremists seem to share a lot of rhetoric and ideation, even if their stated goals (or reasons for them, like depopulation to save the planet on the left among eco-terrorists or de-population on the right among eco-fascists to protect the God-given resources to preserve and sustain white culture), they seem to be living in the space where the ideology clock curves back to meet at extremist midnight.
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The killer isn't ideologically "pure," but his Twitter presence suggests he more closely resembles a red-pilled trad type: concern for low birth rates, engagement with influencers against the "woke mind virus," fitness-as-virtue stuff, compsci as a career. What's perhaps more surprisingly, though, are that his Twitter follows are mostly middle-of-the-road faux-centrists and skeptics: Jonathan Haidt, Joe Rogan, RFK, Yuval Harari.
 
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Turd Ferguson said:
Why are the cops pissed off that he was talking to the media? Sounded like he said something about being completely out of touch and an insult to the intelligence of the American people.
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Honestly don't know. I'm assuming the DA would would want him to yell as many things as he possibly could hoping he says something incriminating His defense attorneys are probably thanking those officers at this point.
 


“… Police on Monday arrested Luigi Mangione, the suspect in Thompson’s killing, after he was spotted at a McDonald’s in Altoona, Pennsylvania, and an employee called the police.

The restaurant’s page on Google and Yelp has since been flooded with negative reviews, calling workers “rats” and “snitches.”

One now-deleted review on Google that was spotted by Reuters said the “location has rats in the kitchen that will make you sick and your insurance isn’t going to cover it.”

A Google spokesperson said that the “reviews violate our policies and are being removed.” Also, additional protections are being added to the profile page to prevent more of these reviews. Commenters also shared a similar sentiment on Yelp. However, Yelp turned off commenting on the McDonald’s location’s page. …”
 
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