United Healthcare CEO shot and killed

HeelingAg said:
He does? I must have tapped out of that thread early, b/c when I think of red-pilled it isn't masters degree from an Ivy, wealthy and well connected family, quoter of Kurt Vonnegut, athletic, and attractive.
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That’s fair. I just meant in terms of his online engagement that I’ve seen so far.

That being said, I think we know by now that it isn’t just basement dwellers who are radicalized online (or through direct experience, which I think is possible here.)
 
Paine said:
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The Tinkerer

Thinking about the UnitedHealth Killer
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Not sure if you can read this without being subscribed but some interesting thoughts here.
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“Like many well-off young people, he comes from a bourgeois family that owns property but decided instead of business to pursue a high-status profession that’s supposed to be about rationally improving the world, only to find that idealistic path blocked in various frustrating ways. Even for the ‘normal’ and relatively successful something feels terribly broken and alienating. When you combine these things you will get tragic and desperate attempts at heroism. The crowd already loves it.”
 
Bobfripp said:
For psychosis, I believe it tends to occur even earlier, late teens, early 20s is typical for men.
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Bobfripp said:
For psychosis, I believe it tends to occur even earlier, late teens, early 20s is typical for men.
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I once read the FBI report on domestic terrorism. In there it talked about people who started showing their mental illness looking for a cause for their problems that they didn't understand, paranoia, voices for example. Often they blame other races for it and cause them to commit violence that no one expected. The right wing violence talked about in the FBI report was mostly due to a young white guy with a gun not part of any any particular group and how it is impossible to predict
 
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HeelingAg said:
He does? I must have tapped out of that thread early, b/c when I think of red-pilled it isn't masters degree from an Ivy, wealthy and well connected family, quoter of Kurt Vonnegut, athletic, and attractive.

ETA: my post was left hanging for a few minutes before submitting - didn't see Willy's near identical post.
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Here are a couple of retweets from his Twitter feed. Keep in mind that this isn't particularly recent and it is two posts out of hundreds of posts so it's definitely cherry-picked, but maybe something there.



 
Paine said:
“Like many well-off young people, he comes from a bourgeois family that owns property but decided instead of business to pursue a high-status profession that’s supposed to be about rationally improving the world, only to find that idealistic path blocked in various frustrating ways. Even for the ‘normal’ and relatively successful something feels terribly broken and alienating. When you combine these things you will get tragic and desperate attempts at heroism. The crowd already loves it.”
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It's harder and harder to be good and do good in this country even for those that want to do good and be good because of the way our country is full of greed, bigotry, racism and Christian nationalism. All you have to do is look at how a person as deplorable as Trump gets elected President not once but twice. It really is hard to think the majority of people here are good people anymore.
 
HeelingAg said:
Correct, it's not likely. But it's foolhardy to think his appearance and motives won't change the calculus with lots of potential jurors, if even a little. Whether we're talking OJ, Jeffrey MacDonald, Casey Anthony, or the Menendez brothers (1st trial hung jury, despite a confession), appearance and affiliations can make a huge difference, even if we're talking 0.5% to 1% acquittal or hung jury.
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Well the Menendez actually had a good argument. The second judge wouldn’t let them put on a battered woman defense because they weren’t women. Which seems absurd in 2024.

The issue in that case was manslaughter vs murder, not complete acquittal. Lots of evidence to support a manslaughter argument.

OJ and Casey had viable defenses. Luigi couldn’t possibly have more incriminating evidence on his person at the time of the arrest.
 
Willy said:
It will be fascinating to see what, if any, online source radicalized him. Upon first glance, he was wealthy, attractive, fit, highly intelligent, an Ivy League grad, from a prominent family, and lived in Hawaii. He’s doesn’t appear to be an easy target to radicalize.
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Check out Osama bin Laden’s background.
nycfan said:
But there has been a noticeable uptick in violent ideation on the left in more mainstream social media recently, at least it seems so to me (so anecdotally). This particular killer may be a left-wing Unabomber cultist, I guess we will find out at some point. But more and more the far right and far left extremists seem to share a lot of rhetoric and ideation, even if their stated goals (or reasons for them, like depopulation to save the planet on the left among eco-terrorists or de-population on the right among eco-fascists to protect the God-given resources to preserve and sustain white culture), they seem to be living in the space where the ideology clock curves back to meet at extremist midnight.
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The killer isn't ideologically "pure," but his Twitter presence suggests he more closely resembles a red-pilled trad type: concern for low birth rates, engagement with influencers against the "woke mind virus," fitness-as-virtue stuff, compsci as a career. What's perhaps more surprisingly, though, are that his Twitter follows are mostly middle-of-the-road faux-centrists and skeptics: Jonathan Haidt, Joe Rogan, RFK, Yuval Harari.
 
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breepf said:
Check out Osama bin Laden’s background.

The killer isn't ideologically "pure," but his Twitter presence suggests he more closely resembles a red-pilled trad type: concern for low birth rates, engagement with influencers against the "woke mind virus," fitness-as-virtue stuff, compsci as a career. What's perhaps more surprisingly, though, are that his Twitter follows are mostly middle-of-the-road faux-centrists and skeptics: Jonathan Haidt, Joe Rogan, RFK, Yuval Harari.
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Right-wingers have been a lot more obsessed with Kaczynski than left-wingers ever were. People are confused because of Mangione’s “elite” background, but all the evidence that we need is there. This slaying actually fits in perfectly with the narrative of the 2024 election.

The “ideology” of most people is amorphous. The pain and alienation of modern American society is pretty universal. Even for those considered to be privileged in many other ways.
 
Turd Ferguson said:
Why are the cops pissed off that he was talking to the media? Sounded like he said something about being completely out of touch and an insult to the intelligence of the American people.
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Honestly don't know. I'm assuming the DA would would want him to yell as many things as he possibly could hoping he says something incriminating His defense attorneys are probably thanking those officers at this point.
 


“… Police on Monday arrested Luigi Mangione, the suspect in Thompson’s killing, after he was spotted at a McDonald’s in Altoona, Pennsylvania, and an employee called the police.

The restaurant’s page on Google and Yelp has since been flooded with negative reviews, calling workers “rats” and “snitches.”

One now-deleted review on Google that was spotted by Reuters said the “location has rats in the kitchen that will make you sick and your insurance isn’t going to cover it.”

A Google spokesperson said that the “reviews violate our policies and are being removed.” Also, additional protections are being added to the profile page to prevent more of these reviews. Commenters also shared a similar sentiment on Yelp. However, Yelp turned off commenting on the McDonald’s location’s page. …”
 
Turd Ferguson said:
It's harder and harder to be good and do good in this country even for those that want to do good and be good because of the way our country is full of greed, bigotry, racism and Christian nationalism. All you have to do is look at how a person as deplorable as Trump gets elected President not once but twice. It really is hard to think the majority of people here are good people anymore.
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Well trump's 2 elections are repudiations of the world the left has laid out. You don't have to look hard to find the reasons the left lost this election. To me, those macro reasons are great reasons for electing trump. So I'm not talking about you personally, but associating trump's wins as evidence of greed, bigotry, racism, and christian nationalism is completely off base and not in line with most of the reasons given for trump's win. He won because of the left's economic policies, open border philosophy, antisemitism, condescension, perverting the rule of law, and placing culture war issues above everything else. America isn't a racist country. It does have some bigotry issues but that is almost impossible to eradicate. Greed will always be an issue despite which party is in charge. You use the word deplorable in the same paragraph you accuse Americans of being greedy, bigoted, racist, and religiously intolerant. That has been an expensive word for the left to keep using. I might suggest finding another adjective because that one has cost you two elections.
 
I wonder if it's purely coincidental that the shooting occured a few days before the deadline for Medicare enrollees to change plans for 2025. Also I wonder if the overall negative publicity affected UHC's enrollment?
 
BubbaOtis said:
I wonder if it's purely coincidental that the shooting occured a few days before the deadline for Medicare enrollees to change plans for 2025. Also I wonder if the overall negative publicity affected UHC's enrollment?
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It certainly affected their stock price (though it bounced back some today and Yard is still way up).
 
Callatoroy said:
Well trump's 2 elections are repudiations of the world the left has laid out. You don't have to look hard to find the reasons the left lost this election. To me, those macro reasons are great reasons for electing trump. So I'm not talking about you personally, but associating trump's wins as evidence of greed, bigotry, racism, and christian nationalism is completely off base and not in line with most of the reasons given for trump's win. He won because of the left's economic policies, open border philosophy, antisemitism, condescension, perverting the rule of law, and placing culture war issues above everything else. America isn't a racist country. It does have some bigotry issues but that is almost impossible to eradicate. Greed will always be an issue despite which party is in charge. You use the word deplorable in the same paragraph you accuse Americans of being greedy, bigoted, racist, and religiously intolerant. That has been an expensive word for the left to keep using. I might suggest finding another adjective because that one has cost you two elections.
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Can't help it if most of the people in this country are that way now. And that is exactly why he won. There is no way a person like that should ever be considered for President. This is a racist country. Of course you can't see it because you are part of the problem by supporting someone as disgusting and deplorable as Trump. It's the truth, and I suggest you kiss my ass.
 
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