United Healthcare CEO shot and killed

Callatoroy said:
Well trump's 2 elections are repudiations of the world the left has laid out. You don't have to look hard to find the reasons the left lost this election. To me, those macro reasons are great reasons for electing trump. So I'm not talking about you personally, but associating trump's wins as evidence of greed, bigotry, racism, and christian nationalism is completely off base and not in line with most of the reasons given for trump's win. He won because of the left's economic policies, open border philosophy, antisemitism, condescension, perverting the rule of law, and placing culture war issues above everything else. America isn't a racist country. It does have some bigotry issues but that is almost impossible to eradicate. Greed will always be an issue despite which party is in charge. You use the word deplorable in the same paragraph you accuse Americans of being greedy, bigoted, racist, and religiously intolerant. That has been an expensive word for the left to keep using. I might suggest finding another adjective because that one has cost you two elections.
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holy delusion, batman.
 
dcphx said:
NG-insanity is a loss for the DA
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The chance of getting NG-Insanity is incredibly small even when someone has fairly serious metal health issues. But it’s not necessarily a loss for the prosecution when it does happen.
 
Has someone asked this yet - - but why is he being charged with second degree murder as opposed to first degree?
 
lawtig02 said:
Fairly typical. Will almost certainly be upgraded.
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I think I read in New York that first degree is limited to things like murder in connection with another crime, and that second degree is equal to first degree in most states.
 
Yep, nevermind. I guess I coulod have googled earlier and not been so lazy. from Forbes:

WHY WASN’T MANGIONE CHARGED WITH FIRST DEGREE MURDER?​

Mangione was charged with second degree murder—despite allegedly straightforwardly shooting Thompson—because New York’s first degree murder law only applies in specific instances, none of which would apply here. The first degree murder law applies in cases where the victim is someone specific like a police officer, peace officer, first responder or state correctional facility employee, or in cases like killing someone as part of an act of terrorism or killing a witness to a crime to prevent their testimony. The first degree murder charge would also apply in cases of “contract killers” who enter into agreements to commit the crime in exchange for money or something else of value.
 
Icky Mettle said:
The chance of getting NG-Insanity is incredibly small even when someone has fairly serious metal health issues. But it’s not necessarily a loss for the prosecution when it does happen.
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My comment was more in reference to the question of why a DA would not want this guy to shout out to the media. Don't even give him the opportunity to begin crafting a narrative in the public that the floor does not go all the way up to the top floor.

I would generally disagree that in a high profile cases such as this, a NG-Insanity would be a loss for the DA because this case is going to be a resume builder for whomever is prosecuting it and that type of result would not be a resume builder.
 
If I understand the story correctly, the image we had of his whole face was the result of him flirting with an employee at the hostel where he was staying, and her asking him to pull his mask down.

So, essentially, a woman ruined his life.
 
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Paine said:

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www.politico.com
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Good article about Eric Hobsbawm’s social banditry theory.

“Popular veneration of social bandits was itself a form of what scholars call ‘pre-political’ or ‘proto-political’ action — modes of resistance that do not explicitly engage with formal political systems or institutions but can still reflect political consciousness, grievances or a challenge to the status quo.”
 
Paine said:
Good article about Eric Hobsbawm’s social banditry theory.

“Popular veneration of social bandits was itself a form of what scholars call ‘pre-political’ or ‘proto-political’ action — modes of resistance that do not explicitly engage with formal political systems or institutions but can still reflect political consciousness, grievances or a challenge to the status quo.”
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"The lesson is, and should be, unsettling. Social bandits capture the public imagination not just because they take from the rich and give to the poor, sometimes violently. Their power resides in the vacuum that is effective government. In the absence of a strong and responsive government, many Americans may continue to celebrate social banditry as an expression of their discontent with the economic state of affairs. And while some bandits are swashbuckling and benign, like Robin Hood, just as often, they are like Frank and Jesse James: violent, bloodthirsty and dangerous."
 
ZenMode said:
If I understand the story correctly, The image we had of his whole face was the result of him flirting with an employee at the hostel where he was staying. and she asked him to pull his mask down.

So, essentially, a woman ruined his life.
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His brush with the US healthcare system ruined his life. It's why he chose to do what he did.
 
nycfan said:
The restaurant’s page on Google and Yelp has since been flooded with negative reviews, calling workers “rats” and “snitches.”
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Hard to believe that anyone would take the time to "review" a McDonald's under normal circumstances. I mean, it's a McDonalds...
 
Willy said:
"The lesson is, and should be, unsettling. Social bandits capture the public imagination not just because they take from the rich and give to the poor, sometimes violently. Their power resides in the vacuum that is effective government. In the absence of a strong and responsive government, many Americans may continue to celebrate social banditry as an expression of their discontent with the economic state of affairs. And while some bandits are swashbuckling and benign, like Robin Hood, just as often, they are like Frank and Jesse James: violent, bloodthirsty and dangerous."
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This idea of social banditry is something I’ve been thinking about a lot since this killing. Didn’t know it had a name until now, even though I’ve read some of Hobsbawn’s work in the past. Pretty Boy Floyd is another example.

I’ve also been thinking about it in connection to Trump’s second victory along w/ John Ganz’s ideas about Trump and the mob.

www.motherjones.com

If you want to understand Trump’s appeal, look at John Gotti

A new book explores the right-wing revolt that's still reverberating today.
www.motherjones.com www.motherjones.com

It all dovetails quite nicely. In an age where the government is ineffective for a number of reasons, people turn to whatever they can to shake things up. Especially people in dire situations.
 
Paine said:
This idea of social banditry is something I’ve been thinking about a lot since this killing. Didn’t know it had a name until now, even though I’ve read some of Hobsbawn’s work in the past. Pretty Boy Floyd is another example.

I’ve also been thinking about it in connection to Trump’s second victory along w/ John Ganz’s ideas about Trump and the mob.

www.motherjones.com

If you want to understand Trump’s appeal, look at John Gotti

A new book explores the right-wing revolt that's still reverberating today.
www.motherjones.com www.motherjones.com

It all dovetails quite nicely. In an age where the government is ineffective for a number of reasons, people turn to whatever they can to shake things up. Especially people in dire situations.
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“What was it about Gotti that resonated with people?”

“I think he represented a nostalgia for an earlier way of life. He also represented a kind of rejection of an establishment that seemed to have failed people. All of the kinds of myths about American society seemed to be bullshit It was a meritocracy, there’s political equality—they all kind of seemed like nonsense to people, and this racketeer’s vision of things where you get yours and take care of your own seemed a lot more appealing to people and realistic. And he was entertaining and fun and gregarious and people were drawn to him as a celebrity. So I think he was a mixture of nostalgia for an old order that he represented, and their dissatisfaction with the way the country was going. And he also represented an alternate vision of society that wasn’t represented by liberalism, or really conservatism for that matter. It is that society is just a series of rackets and you’ve got to get in on one and get close to a boss who can help you out. And you need protection.

I think that that’s extended very much up to the present day with people’s interest in Trump. His criminality, his kind of mafioso act, is not something that people hold against him. Some people hold it against him, but his supporters find it attractive and appealing. There is an obvious parallel between that and the present.”
 
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