US STRIKES VENEZUELA / CAPTURES MADURO

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Why cant y’all simply celebrate this “win” for the USA? This hurts China and may be the final nail in the coffin for the dictatorships in Iran and Cuba?

Plus, the Venezuelans sure seem happy today.
So us taking out the leader of a sovereign nation without cause or provocation is a win? We are not the worlds police. I thought trump was supposedly keeping us out of everyone else's business and other people's wars?
 
note to self: write tampermonkey script called super-duper ignore which removes post where super ignored posters are referenced since superignore only removes quoted conversations.
I thought that super ignore blocked the replies to ignored content also.
 
It’s a good thing that Maduro has departed Caracas; he wrecked his country, stole elections, facilitated the drug trade, flooded the hemisphere with millions of refugees, and aligned his regime with enemies of the United States This is a bad day for Cuba, China, Russia, and Iran, which were in cahoots with Maduro and have reason to fear U.S. power. Their instrument for influence in the Western Hemisphere via Venezuela is out of power and out of luck, sitting in a U.S. jail cell.
Russia’s instrument of influence in the Western hemisphere is tweeting from a toilet in Palm Beach.
 


“This incredible thing last night... We have to do it again [in other countries]. We can do it again, too. Nobody can stop us."

Here’s the thing. If this works out in the near term half as well as it did in the immediate term, then there are a lot of strategic opportunities, particularly in a teetering Cuba.

BUT an immediate term success like this is also accelerant for a narcissist like Trump and actions like toppling the Castro/communist regime in an economically collapsing Cuba still require careful planning and consideration.

Plus there is the whole question of this claim that America is going to run Venezuela indefinitely and all the ways that can unravel logistically and politically.
 
The complexities of regime change in Cuba are vastly greater than Venezuela and I would be willing to bet that even in Venezuela the support of the people for this action is less than what is being portrayed in the media. Recall that Iraqis were celebrating all over that country when we overthrew Saddam and look how quickly that turned for US forces.

Also, recall:

Powell denies using the term "pottery barn rule", but stated:

It is said that I used the "Pottery Barn rule." I never did it; [Thomas] Friedman did it ... But what I did say ... [is that] once you break it, you are going to own it, and we're going to be responsible for 26 million people standing there looking at us. And it's going to suck up a good 40 to 50 percent of the Army for years. And it's going to take all the oxygen out of the political environment ..."<a href="You break it, you buy it - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>8<span>]</span></a>
 
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The most analogous to this situation would be Noriega. Lots of problems in Panama before and after Noriega, but in general, that regime change was not disastrous.
I think Panama is the closest. Grenada before it was also similar and has been fairly successful at regime change if the measure is a stable democracy.

Somewhat counterintuitive on both of those "successful" regime changes; the US was fairly hands off after the initial invasion. They went in with troops for a month or two, and then pulled out and let the locals work it out. Compare that to Iraq and Afghanistan and the results are pretty striking.
 
I think Panama is the closest. Grenada before it was also similar and has been fairly successful at regime change if the measure is a stable democracy.

Somewhat counterintuitive on both of those "successful" regime changes; the US was fairly hands off after the initial invasion. They went in with troops for a month or two, and then pulled out and let the locals work it out. Compare that to Iraq and Afghanistan and the results are pretty striking.
Grenada was a great US-Britain victory
They likely had a total defense ability on par with Montana's National guard-or maybe the Apex police Dept?
 
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