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CFordUNC
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I believe he was comparing the protesters who vandalize property, burn American flags, etc. to the KKK. I am almost certain he was not comparing people who are just generally pro-Palestinian to the KKK.
I think there are vice presidential candidate options that are just as good as Shapiro, but from an electoral standpoint, I am almost certain there are no vice presidential candidate options that are *better*. Having Shapiro on the ticket means that there is a very, very high likelihood of Pennsylvania going for Harris, and if Pennsylvania goes for Harris, there is a very, very high likelihood that she wins the whole election. In an election that is going to be as close and as much of a tossup as this one looks to be, I just think you have to squeeze out every drop of possible advantage that you can.
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Shades of 2016. This Shapiro smear campaign from a small portion of the far left is starting to cause damage to Harris IMO. She needs to pick Shapiro quickly and get this going. Or pick someone else and hope Trump continues to self-implode. Hopefully, the addition of David Plouffe will get this settled very soon.
Shapiro has been far harsher on Netanyahu than Biden has. The correct policy is to condemn Hamas, condemn Netanyahu and seek a Palestiinian state in WB and Gaza once the war is over.. Hamas soldiers are not fr4eedome-fighters and Netanyahu is not an advocate for peace (2-state solution).
Assuming VP Harris and Shapiro are in sync on the above, he is the pick. From what I have read, Republicans think Shapiro is on the verge of closing off the Philly suburbs for R candidates--he has been that impactful as AG and Gov.
Shapiro has been far harsher on Netanyahu than Biden has. The correct policy is to condemn Hamas, condemn Netanyahu and seek a Palestiinian state in WB and Gaza once the war is over.. Hamas soldiers are not fr4eedome-fighters and Netanyahu is not an advocate for peace (2-state solution).
Assuming VP Harris and Shapiro are in sync on the above, he is the pick. From what I have read, Republicans think Shapiro is on the verge of closing off the Philly suburbs for R candidates--he has been that impactful as AG and Gov.
CFordUNC
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I hear ya. I think yours is a perfectly valid and entirely respectable viewpoint. And I actually agree that I believe that Harris is set up well to be able to win in Pennsylvania even without Shapiro on the ticket. Like I’ve said, I’m going to be thrilled with any of whomever she picks between Shapiro, Walz, Kelly, or Beshear. I’m just hopeful that the more leftward flank of the party doesn’t have a temper tantrum if and when she chooses Shapiro.
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Pretty tired of Fettermans shit
CFordUNC
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I agree. From my perspective as a moderate-to-slightly conservative, it has always felt to me like the far left is not happy unless they are unhappy.
HeelInTheOzarks
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Yeah what is his angle anymore other than to be the next Sinema/Manchin who gums up the works on everything.
If he doesn’t like Shapiro it’s probably personal - highly doubt it’s anti Semitism because Fetterman is the most pro Israel democratic senator.
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Yeah, I get pretty annoyed when the part of the left that already, by definition, makes it harder for Dems to win a national election goes out of its way to make it even harder than it has to be. The switch to Kamala has delivered Dems from the brink of annihilation this fall. If all parts of the left can’t get behind her now, after staring into the abyss for several months, they’ve compromised their credibility IMO.
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The Dems have many great VP candidates and I will enthusiastially support whomever VP Harris selects. I believe people underestimating how popular Trump is in PA (and somewhat in WI and MI). I think Shapiro helps. esp in PA but also in the other two as a nice tag team with KH.
KH can win without Shapiro: I simply feel that selecting him will allow KH to focus a lot more on other states aned not have to camp out in PA.
If not Shapiro, I think KH should go for Beshear or possibly Pritzker.
KH can win without Shapiro: I simply feel that selecting him will allow KH to focus a lot more on other states aned not have to camp out in PA.
If not Shapiro, I think KH should go for Beshear or possibly Pritzker.
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While I wouldn’t be necessarily upset with any of the options, I just keep coming back to Walz.
I feel like his story would connect with a lot of people. School teacher, military service, popular Governor. Although I’m not sure “baggage” is the right term, he doesn’t have the negatives associated with Shapiro or Kelly.
I feel like his story would connect with a lot of people. School teacher, military service, popular Governor. Although I’m not sure “baggage” is the right term, he doesn’t have the negatives associated with Shapiro or Kelly.
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I posted earlier I'm not sure the boost Shapiro might provide in PA offsets the liability he presents in Michigan. I believe Beshear or Walz have less potential to dampen enthusiasm of the Harris ticket among elements of the Democratic coalition than Shapiro or Kelly. Do no harm!
And I use the term "coalition" purposefully. I'm not sure there is a Democratic "base," at least the way we use the term to describe the Republican "base." The foundation of the Democratic Party is an unwieldy coalition of various interest groups who are unified mostly around defeating the kleptocracy/kakistocracy that the GOP has come to represent. And that is important. Harris can't "offend" any of those interest groups in the quest to take down Trump. Democratic infighting has to be doused quickly, or the alternative is a second Trump administration. And yes, that is worse than what is perceived as going "back to failed politics and policies from a decade ago." Trump is far worse.
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Agreed and I’m firmly in the Walz camp now too…
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My bias when viewing the VP candidates is as a moderate-to-liberal Democrat living in Virginia. If all those candidates were running for VA governor, I think Beshear would be the easy choice--he would destroy any R in VA, revive them from the dead and then wipe them out again...without braking a sweat,
Shapiro probably would as well, though not as much. I think Walz would be 60/40 in Virginia depending on the R candidate.
For the VP race, I am
1) Shapiro (owing to PA and because I believe he would give KH some cover to be a bit more pro-Palestinian and anti-Netanyahu if she wanted. I also think he is the most "talented" of the bunch
2) Beshear: to appeal to indie and some conservative voters. Would be a nice complement to Harris, Also would be fantastic with young Democrats and IMO help in GA, and possibly NC and FL.
I don't believe the other candidates add anything to the ticket, though that should not be an automatic disqualifier. They don't harm the ticket either to any significant degree. Ultimately people are voting for Pres, not VP.
Shapiro probably would as well, though not as much. I think Walz would be 60/40 in Virginia depending on the R candidate.
For the VP race, I am
1) Shapiro (owing to PA and because I believe he would give KH some cover to be a bit more pro-Palestinian and anti-Netanyahu if she wanted. I also think he is the most "talented" of the bunch
2) Beshear: to appeal to indie and some conservative voters. Would be a nice complement to Harris, Also would be fantastic with young Democrats and IMO help in GA, and possibly NC and FL.
I don't believe the other candidates add anything to the ticket, though that should not be an automatic disqualifier. They don't harm the ticket either to any significant degree. Ultimately people are voting for Pres, not VP.
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Same. He has poor name recognition, which is about the only thing I know to criticism, other than he does look like an old white guy.
Shapiro is quick and nimble on the stump and presumably would mean the Harris campaign has to spend less time in PA. GREAT advantages. On the flip side, he will get tarred FROM THE LEFT with school vouchers, protesters = KKK (I know context makes it ridiculous, but still), and the sexual harassment scandal. Harris already has her own baggage with the left.
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And you didn't even mention the alienation of the substantial Middle Eastern voting block in Michigan.
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I don’t read a lot from this publication but there are some troubling features about Shapiro. The veepstakes, to me, are more about “do no harm” than thinking that the pick will actively bring in voters. Walz brings some folksy charm and a practical attitude, and he has very little baggage.
The One Vice Presidential Pick Who Could Ruin Democratic Unity
Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro is a leading candidate to be Kamala Harris’s running mate. Selecting him would fracture the party.
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I considered that more implicitly built into the protesters = KKK thing. No question Shapiro carries baggage others likely do not, while also holding the job and approval rating that understandably feels difficult to pass on.
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To be fair, his ire towards protesters was directed towards the pro-Hamas elements of the protests that were present (albeit in small numbers) at many of these protests. I don’t think it is unfair to equate supporters of Hamas to supporters of the KKK. Also, the comment about Palestinians not being capable of peace was made 30 years ago, when he was 20. Do you still share all of the same political positions now that you had when you were 20?