What can the right really throw at Harris?

Centerpiece said:
It’s hoe. Not how. Nor is it ho. But your point is well made. It will be an uphill battle for the underdog. But after reading some of your posts here, I’m starting to doubt the “3 or 4 moves ahead”. Perhaps not “4” moves?
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Thanks for the spelling correction.

That added a lot of value.
 
Zoo_View said:
Thanks for the spelling correction.

That added a lot of value.
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Only able to see one move ahead here, but I knew you would say that.

But enough, I don’t want to see trump in the White House again, and neither do you, correct? We are of a mind in that regard. So I’ll turn my king over at this point. Enough.
 
nycfan said:
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Color me unconcerned. Just pivot the dialogue toward Trump with his criticism of the FBI and how he wants to defund their entire department. Make him own it too.

This doesn’t have staying power given the extreme nature of her adversary.
 
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Trying to understand the value of posting these tweets.

Do we really need to see every tweet that Trump and team will post to enflame the rather overused rhetoric about sanctuary cities, violent immigrants and made up titles about border czar?
 
CallMeTyler said:
Trying to understand the value of posting these tweets.

Do we really need to see every tweet that Trump and team will post to enflame the rather overused rhetoric about sanctuary cities, violent immigrants and made up titles about border czar?
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In defense of posting them, they are a direct response to the question posed, demonstrating what Trump is throwing at Harris now, and as hard as it is to believe, that is a representative sampling, not all of them.
 
There’s a lot there to attack for mainstream America. If Trump takes the Pennsylvania ad and goes national with it and if it sticks (big if), she’ll probably lose.
 
As someone who would never consider voting for Harris, I’ll throw out my perspective on her and her candidacy at this moment.

If, and before, anyone reads further, know that this isn’t meant to get anyone worked up or change anyone else’s opinion (not that I could). I’m not going to argue that any of it is “true” or “right”. Only as objective of an evaluation of her and her path towards winning the Presidency as I can possibly have through my individual political lens. So, anyway, I expect some shit but I hope no one expects me to die on this thread hill defending any of it.

On the major issues:

•Her stance on abortion is a clear strength and she will, and should, lean into it. Trump should 1) try to avoid the issue as much as possible, and 2)limit his responses on the issue with one-sentence answers that include “states’ rights” and “the people should decide”. He doesn’t have the oratory skills or nuance to be effective here.

• 2A stuff? I think this was already “baked into the cake” for the most part. Similar to the abortion issue, I guess. I don’t see her moving the needle on this one.

• Economy? Perception is reality and I don’t think that’s necessarily a good thing for the current administration and for her candidacy. Fair or not, it seems (again, to me) there’s a general discontent with the economy. I don’t think she’ll be able, or really even try, to separate herself from Biden on this though.

• Immigration issues? Big-time weakness, big-time. She needs to separate from Biden on this one and swing to the right to win over any voters on this issue. Doing that would mean some of her voting bloc would splinter off though. It’s just a complete loser for her.

Trans issues, the felonies, Jan 6th, “rapist” and all that is automatically in the playbook, I assume. Again, I think a lot of this stuff is already “baked in the cake” and I have a hard time believing anyone’s votes will actually be changed. It’s just about the turnout.

In that vein, she seems to have given an obvious boost to the party and re-energized some folks to get out to vote. Personally, I don’t think it’ll be enough in the end but I get that some do.

Trying to take her (and my) politics out of the equation and just evaluating her personality, aura, whatever you want to call it, I find her kinda dislikable. To me, she radiates a phony and untrustworthy vibe. She doesn’t seem to be a naturally pleasant person. While I have no doubt that she’s intelligent (low IQ jabs play to some of the conservative base), the issue is that she appears less intelligent during a lot of the conversations I’ve seen her have. It’s like I can see her brain working while she’s trying to come up with an answer or response and not in a thoughtful way. More rehearsed, more political. She appears awkward and I don’t think the camera does her any favors, despite being an attractive person. I didn’t vote for him but Obama had style, cool, charm, and was “presidential” in every public way. She doesn’t yet have any of that. And before “what about Trump?”. I get it, I’m not real high in him either; it’s a binary system, folks. I’d like to add that this “barren womb” and “childless mother” attack against her are disgusting and reprehensible; I hope they don’t continue.

Last thought, I’m of the opinion she’ll lose the support of some of the party’s traditional black and Hispanic voter base, especially with men. Just a vibe; could be very wrong. I’ll really be curious to see the voting differences and breakdown between genders after this election.

Thanks to Rock for creating the space to express this opinion.
 
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Croatoan said:
As someone who would never consider voting for Harris, I’ll throw out my perspective on her and her candidacy at this moment.

If, and before, anyone reads further, know that this isn’t meant to get anyone worked up or change anyone else’s opinion (not that I could). I’m not going to argue that any of it is “true” or “right”. Only as objective of an evaluation of her and her path towards winning the Presidency as I can possibly have through my individual politics lens. So, anyway, I expect some shit but I hope no one expects me to die on this thread hill defending any of it.

On the major issues:

•Her stance on abortion is a clear strength and she will, and should, lean into it. Trump should 1) try to avoid the issue as much as possible, and 2)limit his responses on the issue with one-sentence answers that include “states’ rights” and “the people should decide”. He doesn’t have the oratory skills or nuance to be effective here.

• 2A stuff? I think this was already “baked into the cake” for the most part. Similar to the abortion issue, I guess. I don’t see her moving the needle on this one.

• Economy? Perception is reality and I don’t think that’s necessarily a good thing for the current administration and for her candidacy. Fair or not, it seems (again, to me) there’s a general discontent with the economy. I don’t think she’ll be able, or really even try, to separate herself from Biden on this though.

• Immigration issues? Big-time weakness, big-time. She needs to separate from Biden on this one and swing to the right to win over any voters on this issue. Doing that would mean some of her voting bloc would splinter off though. It’s just a complete loser for her.

Trans issues, the felonies, Jan 6th, “rapist” and all that is automatically in the playbook, I assume. Again, I think a lot of this stuff is already “baked in the cake” and I have a hard time believing anyone’s votes will actually be changed. It’s just about the turnout.

In that vein, she seems to have given an obvious boost to the party and re-energized some folks to get out to vote. Personally, I don’t think it’ll be enough in the end but I get that some do.

Trying to take her (and my) politics out of the equation and just evaluating her personality, aura, whatever you want to call it, I find her kinda dislikable. To me, she radiates a phony and untrustworthy vibe. She doesn’t seem to be a naturally pleasant person. While I have no doubt that she’s intelligent (low IQ jabs play to some of the conservative base), the issue is that she appears less intelligent during a lot of the conversations I’ve seen her have. It’s like I can see her brain working while she’s trying to come up with an answer or response and not in a thoughtful way. More rehearsed, more political. She appears awkward and I don’t think the camera does her any favors, despite being an attractive person. I didn’t vote for him but Obama had style, cool, charm, and was “presidential” in every public way. She doesn’t yet have any of that. And before “what about Trump?”. I get it, I’m not real high in him either; it’s a binary system, folks. I’d like to add that this “barren womb” and “childless mother” attack against her are disgusting and reprehensible; I hope they don’t continue.

Last thought, I’m of the opinion she’ll lose the support of some of the party’s traditional black and Hispanic voter base, especially with men. Just a vibe; could be very wrong. I’ll really be curious to see the voting differences and breakdown between genders after this election.

Thanks to Rock for creating the space to express this opinion.
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“To me, she radiates a phony and untrustworthy vibe.”

Just so I can get grounded here, who exactly are you voting for this November?
 
Croatoan said:
As someone who would never consider voting for Harris, I’ll throw out my perspective on her and her candidacy at this moment.

If, and before, anyone reads further, know that this isn’t meant to get anyone worked up or change anyone else’s opinion (not that I could). I’m not going to argue that any of it is “true” or “right”. Only as objective of an evaluation of her and her path towards winning the Presidency as I can possibly have through my individual politics lens. So, anyway, I expect some shit but I hope no one expects me to die on this thread hill defending any of it.

On the major issues:

•Her stance on abortion is a clear strength and she will, and should, lean into it. Trump should 1) try to avoid the issue as much as possible, and 2)limit his responses on the issue with one-sentence answers that include “states’ rights” and “the people should decide”. He doesn’t have the oratory skills or nuance to be effective here.

• 2A stuff? I think this was already “baked into the cake” for the most part. Similar to the abortion issue, I guess. I don’t see her moving the needle on this one.

• Economy? Perception is reality and I don’t think that’s necessarily a good thing for the current administration and for her candidacy. Fair or not, it seems (again, to me) there’s a general discontent with the economy. I don’t think she’ll be able, or really even try, to separate herself from Biden on this though.

• Immigration issues? Big-time weakness, big-time. She needs to separate from Biden on this one and swing to the right to win over any voters on this issue. Doing that would mean some of her voting bloc would splinter off though. It’s just a complete loser for her.

Trans issues, the felonies, Jan 6th, “rapist” and all that is automatically in the playbook, I assume. Again, I think a lot of this stuff is already “baked in the cake” and I have a hard time believing anyone’s votes will actually be changed. It’s just about the turnout.

In that vein, she seems to have given an obvious boost to the party and re-energized some folks to get out to vote. Personally, I don’t think it’ll be enough in the end but I get that some do.

Trying to take her (and my) politics out of the equation and just evaluating her personality, aura, whatever you want to call it, I find her kinda dislikable. To me, she radiates a phony and untrustworthy vibe. She doesn’t seem to be a naturally pleasant person. While I have no doubt that she’s intelligent (low IQ jabs play to some of the conservative base), the issue is that she appears less intelligent during a lot of the conversations I’ve seen her have. It’s like I can see her brain working while she’s trying to come up with an answer or response and not in a thoughtful way. More rehearsed, more political. She appears awkward and I don’t think the camera does her any favors, despite being an attractive person. I didn’t vote for him but Obama had style, cool, charm, and was “presidential” in every public way. She doesn’t yet have any of that. And before “what about Trump?”. I get it, I’m not real high in him either; it’s a binary system, folks. I’d like to add that this “barren womb” and “childless mother” attack against her are disgusting and reprehensible; I hope they don’t continue.

Last thought, I’m of the opinion she’ll lose the support of some of the party’s traditional black and Hispanic voter base, especially with men. Just a vibe; could be very wrong. I’ll really be curious to see the voting differences and breakdown between genders after this election.

Thanks to Rock for creating the space to express this opinion.
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Are you a Trump voter?

What was your IC username?
 
Croatoan seems like a reasonable poster. Not like the trolls that come in and immediately start with the childish trash talking and present no actual argument or points.

If people say they actually want "conservatives" here, then you can't be ready to immediately dismiss them if you think they are Trump voters.

I put "conservative" in quotes because I do not think it is conservative or Republican to enable a fraud criminal like Trump. That is just my opinion. Most conservatives will vote R no matter what. Nothing proves that more than Trump ever getting near the White House, and is amplified every single day that Trump spews his nonsense.
 
Kraftyheel89 said:
Croatoan seems like a reasonable poster. Not like the trolls that come in and immediately start with the childish trash talking and present no actual argument or points.

If people say they actually want "conservatives" here, then you can't be ready to immediately dismiss them if you think they are Trump voters.

I put "conservative" in quotes because I do not think it is conservative or Republican to enable a fraud criminal like Trump. That is just my opinion. Most conservatives will vote R no matter what. Nothing proves that more than Trump ever getting near the White House, and is amplified every single day that Trump spews his nonsense.
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All good. But if you make comments wrt to the Democratic nominee as being phony and untrustworthy, then simp for Donald Trump ... well, it's going to be really difficult to consider any further thoughts from said poster. We're not starting from a place of honesty here.

Plenty of conservatives will vote for other GOP candidates, but be willing to call out DJT and admit he's unfit for POTUS. That's a reasonable position.

Still waiting for a response from @Croatoan
 
To paraphrase James Carvalle yesterday
"Okay we have a refreshing candidate-now get to work. This is going to be a bloody Knife fight " Vicious
 
Croatoan said:
As someone who would never consider voting for Harris, I’ll throw out my perspective on her and her candidacy at this moment.

If, and before, anyone reads further, know that this isn’t meant to get anyone worked up or change anyone else’s opinion (not that I could). I’m not going to argue that any of it is “true” or “right”. Only as objective of an evaluation of her and her path towards winning the Presidency as I can possibly have through my individual political lens. So, anyway, I expect some shit but I hope no one expects me to die on this thread hill defending any of it.

On the major issues:

•Her stance on abortion is a clear strength and she will, and should, lean into it. Trump should 1) try to avoid the issue as much as possible, and 2)limit his responses on the issue with one-sentence answers that include “states’ rights” and “the people should decide”. He doesn’t have the oratory skills or nuance to be effective here.

• 2A stuff? I think this was already “baked into the cake” for the most part. Similar to the abortion issue, I guess. I don’t see her moving the needle on this one.

• Economy? Perception is reality and I don’t think that’s necessarily a good thing for the current administration and for her candidacy. Fair or not, it seems (again, to me) there’s a general discontent with the economy. I don’t think she’ll be able, or really even try, to separate herself from Biden on this though.

• Immigration issues? Big-time weakness, big-time. She needs to separate from Biden on this one and swing to the right to win over any voters on this issue. Doing that would mean some of her voting bloc would splinter off though. It’s just a complete loser for her.

Trans issues, the felonies, Jan 6th, “rapist” and all that is automatically in the playbook, I assume. Again, I think a lot of this stuff is already “baked in the cake” and I have a hard time believing anyone’s votes will actually be changed. It’s just about the turnout.

In that vein, she seems to have given an obvious boost to the party and re-energized some folks to get out to vote. Personally, I don’t think it’ll be enough in the end but I get that some do.

Trying to take her (and my) politics out of the equation and just evaluating her personality, aura, whatever you want to call it, I find her kinda dislikable. To me, she radiates a phony and untrustworthy vibe. She doesn’t seem to be a naturally pleasant person. While I have no doubt that she’s intelligent (low IQ jabs play to some of the conservative base), the issue is that she appears less intelligent during a lot of the conversations I’ve seen her have. It’s like I can see her brain working while she’s trying to come up with an answer or response and not in a thoughtful way. More rehearsed, more political. She appears awkward and I don’t think the camera does her any favors, despite being an attractive person. I didn’t vote for him but Obama had style, cool, charm, and was “presidential” in every public way. She doesn’t yet have any of that. And before “what about Trump?”. I get it, I’m not real high in him either; it’s a binary system, folks. I’d like to add that this “barren womb” and “childless mother” attack against her are disgusting and reprehensible; I hope they don’t continue.

Last thought, I’m of the opinion she’ll lose the support of some of the party’s traditional black and Hispanic voter base, especially with men. Just a vibe; could be very wrong. I’ll really be curious to see the voting differences and breakdown between genders after this election.

Thanks to Rock for creating the space to express this opinion.
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I have thought in the past she seemed a tentative speaker as VP, but it seems to me that she speaks with a lot more confidence since Joe passed the torch. Maybe just speaking for herself is key — she frankly hasn’t been a great political surrogate for Joe, so I’ve been surprised/impressed by her emergence this first week.

I think the immigration issue is clearly toughest for her, and TBD how she formulates her economic message.
 
I am waiting for a response as well. He/she made some decent comments. The phony/untrustworthy comment I think was a bit premature. It should have been saved for when she disavows her previous comments on defending the police, ICE, same rights for those that sneak into U.S. as actual citizens, etc. Those are big time losing positions. She will be called a phony and flip flopper when she does change her tune. Just as Vance is rightfully called out for once calling Trump America's Hitler.

The point about her not appearing serious, zi made the same comment in a different way. Her penchant for cackling and giggle fits may play well with the youngins, but does not come across as serious. Yet she has a low bar as Trump acts like a petulant spoiled child bully in the 3rd grade.
 
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