Where do we go from here?

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finesse said:
Three ENT surgeons and a radiology oncologist told me personally that they were not aware of any danger.
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I'm fairly sure there is data on the effects of second hand smoke. It was part of the driving force behind many businesses not allowing smoking.
 
finesse said:
As long as we allow any recreational drug, I hardly see why we would. There seems to be no lethal overdose for all practical purposes or long term physical effects. Why do you think we'll regret it?
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I think the jury is still out about long-term physical effects, particularly the unmonitored use of a drug with more and more additives and genetic alterations. As with far too many products today, the research trails the desire for the product. Only later do we discover that perhaps [blank] wasn't such a great idea after all.
 
UNCMSinLS said:
I think the jury is still out about long-term physical effects, particularly the unmonitored use of a drug with more and more additives and genetic alterations. As with far too many products today, the research trails the desire for the product. Only later do we discover that perhaps [blank] wasn't such a great idea after all.
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Actually, considerably fewer additives. It's very much a point of pride . Pretty much the same with the breeding. Think organic gardening and not agribusiness. That might happen but that's not right now.

There are THC concentrates that are over 99% pure. Needles to say, you don't have to smoke a lot.
There's a few thousand years of use so I'm not too worried about sudden surprises.
 
Where do we go from here? How do we get the country back on track? Questions asked in the opening post.

Important stuff to be sure. Right now, keeping Democracy on track for the next two years has to be the most important thing or the other stuff won't matter. Trump first goal is to accumulate enough power so he can corrupt the mid term election so he can't be blocked. Things like purging the military EO that may be coming are very concerning.
 
UNCatTech said:
You know I do understand your point, I'm just not seeing it as an equal comparison. We know about germs and transmission and herd immunity, etc. We know that vaccines save millions of lives.

Yes, if there are defined medical concerns, I could see your argument having some weight.

As for simply the smell, not so sure.

I've been behind cars driving to NC and you could smell it.

You know, I don't have an issue with people drinking raw milk either. I don't understand it and pasteurization is considered a top 5 development in contributing to life expectancy, but if that what one wants to do it doesn't impact others, so...

My grandmother lived on a small farm, I hated the raw milk that she always served.
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I do love French raw milk soft cheese!

Raw milk itself? No. But, I don’t like milk.
 
Ramrouser said:
I’m not certain about those two issues. Are we certain there are no ill effects from 2nd hand (modern) marijuana smoke? What about freedom from noxious smells? I was in San Diego earlier this year and I couldn’t escape it downtown.
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Do those in Eastern NC deserve freedom from the smell of hog farms, chicken farms, and paper mills? The North Carolina General Assembly believes adamantly that they do not have such freedom.
 
BlueSmoke said:
Where do we go from here? How do we get the country back on track? Questions asked in the opening post.

Important stuff to be sure. Right now, keeping Democracy on track for the next two years has to be the most important thing or the other stuff won't matter. Trump first goal is to accumulate enough power so he can corrupt the mid term election so he can't be blocked. Things like purging the military EO that may be coming are very concerning.
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I've been saying it for a while, even though I really, really don't want to believe it. This was our last chance to avoid a choice between civil war and dictatorship. It will not end without violence, and probably a lot of it.

Trump is sending an unmistakable message that he intends to rule with an iron fist and intends never to give up power.
 
superrific said:
I've been saying it for a while, even though I really, really don't want to believe it. This was our last chance to avoid a choice between civil war and dictatorship. It will not end without violence, and probably a lot of it.

Trump is sending an unmistakable message that he intends to rule with an iron fist and intends never to give up power.
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We'll see how Trump actually "rules". The doom and gloom contingency seems to have a disproportionate influence on public perception. That isn't unique to either party.

You have to wonder why, despite the doom and gloom being spread by a significant portion of the media on a daily basis, the increase in support from Hispanic and black voters was undeniable. It's almost like it's all falling on deaf ears.

Maybe the way for the Democratic party to get into power and "get the country back on track" is to get back to change their message and how they are perceived by voters who don't blindly fall for the "the world is going to end if Trump wins" approach.

The voters are sending a message, but the Democratic party seems to be content with plugging their ears and yelling "LA LA LA LA".
 
ZenMode said:
We'll see how Trump actually "rules". The doom and gloom contingency seems to have a disproportionate influence on public perception. That isn't unique to either party.

You have to wonder why, despite the doom and gloom being spread by a significant portion of the media on a daily basis, the increase in support from Hispanic and black voters was undeniable. It's almost like it's all falling on deaf ears.

Maybe the way for the Democratic party to get into power and "get the country back on track" is to get back to change their message and how they are perceived by voters who don't blindly fall for the "the world is going to end if Trump wins" approach.

The voters are sending a message, but the Democratic party seems to be content with plugging their ears and yelling "LA LA LA LA".
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Dude. Open your fucking eyes for a change.

Trump has drafted an executive order letting him promote or demote generals more or less at his will. Now he has nominated a Fox News host to be Secretary of Defense. Read between the lines. Fuck, just read the lines. He is planning on using the military against Americans, and he is trying to clean out in advance anyone and everyone who might stop him. He thinks he was given a mandate to completely take over the government and become an autocrat. Which, in fairness, is exactly what SCOTUS and the GOP has allowed him or even pushed him to do.

I don't give a fuck about who voted for him. He's doing exactly what he said he was going to do, which is also what people like me have worried about for a long time, and people like you think you're clever and above it all. Yuk it up, furball.
 
superrific said:
Dude. Open your fucking eyes for a change.

Trump has drafted an executive order letting him promote or demote generals more or less at his will. Now he has nominated a Fox News host to be Secretary of Defense. Read between the lines. Fuck, just read the lines. He is planning on using the military against Americans, and he is trying to clean out in advance anyone and everyone who might stop him. He thinks he was given a mandate to completely take over the government and become an autocrat. Which, in fairness, is exactly what SCOTUS and the GOP has allowed him or even pushed him to do.

I don't give a fuck about who voted for him. He's doing exactly what he said he was going to do, which is also what people like me have worried about for a long time, and people like you think you're clever and above it all. Yuk it up, furball.
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"I don't give a fuck about who voted for him."

Maybe you should if you truly care about keeping the next Trump out of office. It took Biden a matter of days to sign an executive order guaranteeing sex change surgeries for prisoners here illegally and over 2 years to sign an EO to address the border crisis.

How many commercials did you see showing her interview about sex change surgeries for illegal prisoners and then overlaying "She's for they/them. He's for you." I saw at least 3. Why? Because they knew that was a hot issue for voters
 
ZenMode said:
"I don't give a fuck about who voted for him."

Maybe you should if you truly care about keeping the next Trump out of office. It took Biden a matter of days to sign an executive order guaranteeing sex change surgeries for prisoners here illegally and over 2 years to sign an EO to address the border crisis.

How many commercials did you see showing her interview about sex change surgeries for illegal prisoners and then overlaying "She's for they/them. He's for you." I saw at least 3. Why? Because they knew that was a hot issue for voters
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1. You are lying about the executive orders. All of them.
2. I don't give a shit about whether voters thought they/them were important.

Your guy is running roughshod over democracy and plans to continue. So when and if we save our land from your perfidious, evil swamp creatures, I don't think too many people are going to give a shit about your preferences.
 
ZenMode said:
"I don't give a fuck about who voted for him."

Maybe you should if you truly care about keeping the next Trump out of office. It took Biden a matter of days to sign an executive order guaranteeing sex change surgeries for prisoners here illegally and over 2 years to sign an EO to address the border crisis.

How many commercials did you see showing her interview about sex change surgeries for illegal prisoners and then overlaying "She's for they/them. He's for you." I saw at least 3. Why? Because they knew that was a hot issue for voters
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Yes, as we said the low information voters that don't understand numbers. How many of those sex change operations do you think happened? If any I'd be willing to bet less than .0001 percent of the prison population.
 
superrific said:
1. You are lying about the executive orders. All of them.
2. I don't give a shit about whether voters thought they/them were important.

Your guy is running roughshod over democracy and plans to continue. So when and if we save our land from your perfidious, evil swamp creatures, I don't think too many people are going to give a shit about your preferences.
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1. I was wrong on the EO. He signed an EO guaranteeing that males could use girl's restroom in the first days and signed an EO to address the border years later.

He's not my guy and they clearly aren't only my preferences but, hey, if the Dem party keeps down their current path, maybe The first female president will be Candace Owens.
 
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UNCatTech said:
Yes, as we said the low information voters that don't understand numbers. How many of those sex change operations do you think happened? If any I'd be willing to bet less than .0001 percent of the prison population.
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Fed govt spent something like 3 billion dollars on Viagra for Us Military last year
 
ZenMode said:
1. I was wrong on the EO. He signed an EO guaranteeing that makes could use girl's restroom in the first days and signed an EO to address the border years later.

He's not my guy and they clearly aren't only my preferences but, hey if the Dem party keeps down their current path, maybe The first female president will be Candace Owens.
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There are two sides, and only two sides. If you're not on the side of good, which you are not, then it doesn't matter what fairy tales you tell yourself to help you sleep at night.

You are still lying about the executive orders. Literally the first day of office he signed EO 13993, about civil immigration policies and priorities.

Wake the fuck up, dude. They are pulling the wool over your eyes and telling you that you're smart, and you're gobbling it up.
 
superrific said:
There are two sides, and only two sides. If you're not on the side of good, which you are not, then it doesn't matter what fairy tales you tell yourself to help you sleep at night.

You are still lying about the executive orders. Literally the first day of office he signed EO 13993, about civil immigration policies and priorities.

Wake the fuck up, dude. They are pulling the wool over your eyes and telling you that you're smart, and you're gobbling it up.
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If there are are truly only two sides, it appears that the country is more scared of the Democratic parties direction than they are of the so-called next Hitler.

I underestimated the time frame, but it was still more than 2 years between executive orders.

EO 14021:
Guaranteeing an Educational Environment Free From Discrimination on the Basis of Sex, Including Sexual Orientation or Gender Identity

Signed:March 8, 2021

Published:March 11, 2021FR Citation:86 FR 13803FR Doc. Number:2021-05200
 
ZenMode said:
1. I was wrong on the EO. He signed an EO guaranteeing that males could use girl's restroom in the first days and signed an EO to address the border years later.

He's not my guy and they clearly aren't only my preferences but, hey, if the Dem party keeps down their current path, maybe The first female president will be Candace Owens.
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Do you have male and female restrooms in your home?
 
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