Where do we go from here?

[superrific]

Interesting you would make that assumption: Trump supporters all poor, uneducated and provincial I guess.

It's not an assumption. It's evident by your posting. And for the record, few people of any stripe have gone to "most West Coast cities" in the time in which cannabis consumption has been legal.

Also, anyone who has ever spent time in a big city realizes that it is, you know, a big city. What you smell at 42nd and Fifth is not the same as what you would smell at 86th and First, Court and Union street, Avenue Q and Ocean Parkway or 89th and Northern.

This is how I know you're FOS.

 

[Paine]

Opinion | I’m the Governor of Kentucky. Here’s How Democrats Can Win Again.

I won re-election last year in a state that Trump just carried by 30 points. Here’s how.

www.nytimes.com

 

[UNCMSinLS]

The smell wasn't the issue with secondhand smoke. It's provably dangerous.

The jury is still out on marijuana. Research is mixed. Some studies imply that marijuana may be harmful to health. I personally think inhaling any smoke is harmful. The lungs aren't made for breathing smoke. Now, gummies or brownies - I could live with that.

 

[superrific]

How about the freedom from marijuana smoke (what happened to the cigarette 2nd hand smoke nazis?) and that awful smell that infects lots of big cities.

I haven't been to NYC since legalization, but I would be utterly shocked if there were places you can smoke cannabis but not cigarettes. At no point did NYC ban cig smoking outdoors, and it doesn't ban cannabis smoking outdoors either. If you can find me a place in NYC where cannabis smoke is given a preferential status . . . well, you're the big city expert. Tell me.

 

[LeoBloom]

1. The way some of these media are treating the race and sex issues . . . well, I guess the bulwark are former Republicans so I shouldn't expect too much on this score.

2. There are two distinct sets of racism/sexism issues. They are related but non-identical.

A. First, there's the "people didn't vote for Harris because she was a black woman." I believe we will see evidence of that. But regardless, this isn't a claim about 100% of Trump voters or even 95% of Trump voters. It is no answer to say, "nobody refused to vote for Harris because she was a woman because young women who voted Biden also voted Trump." It only takes 1 out of 100 voters to refuse to go Kamala to make a big impact.

It is also just bogus to try to cut and paste the issue out of existence. It can be true that Puerto Rican men refused to vote for a woman, and white women didn't want to vote for a black person. In fact, that is almost certainly true (the only actual question is about the frequency). You can't cut out the sexism from one population, cut out the racism from another, and then combine the two groups to say, "see, it was all clean!"

B. More importantly, the main issue was the substance of the campaigns. Most MAGAs didn't vote for Trump specifically because he was a white man. They voted for him because he is promising vengeance upon brown and black people. Racial animosity remains undefeated as a predictor of Trump support. And we saw the most racist filthy and disgusting campaign in our lifetimes. Hmm. Whether Puerto Ricans swallowed their pride to vote as they did doesn't affect the fact that Trump ran on racism; he won on racism; he is going to govern on racism; and he's probably going to torch the country because of racism.

3. Everyone who votes in the last election in a country is expecting there to be a next election, and that it will be free and fair. Some % of those people are wrong.

4. We're supposed to educate voters? I thought that was the thing we were doing wrong! That we can't explain to voters how tariffs work or how inflation works because that's preachy and dismissive? But now, I see, the Bulwark is back on the explain the world to Trump voters train. Maybe it never got off that train. I read the Bulwark when CFord posts it and not other times.

Too many of these articles miss the point on demonization - the Pubs give voters a group to demonize AND look down on. It has been working for them for decades.

 

[UNCMSinLS]

Interesting you would make that assumption: Trump supporters all poor, uneducated and provincial I guess.

No not all Trump supporters. Just you.

 

[superrific]

Opinion | I’m the Governor of Kentucky. Here’s How Democrats Can Win Again.

I won re-election last year in a state that Trump just carried by 30 points. Here’s how.

www.nytimes.com

Sigh.

"The focus of the Democratic Party must return to creating better jobs, more affordable and accessible health care, safer roads and bridges, the best education for our children and communities where people aren’t just safer but also feel safer."

When did the focus of the Democratic Party ever veer from these issues? Literally we are witnessing an administration being assembled from a campaign that offered "get rid of foreigners" as a solution that will solve all of those problems. That Trump offered a magic wand to make these problems go away as soon as we cleanse our land of migrants doesn't mean the Dems stopped focusing on those problems.

 

[Paine]

Sigh.

"The focus of the Democratic Party must return to creating better jobs, more affordable and accessible health care, safer roads and bridges, the best education for our children and communities where people aren’t just safer but also feel safer."

When did the focus of the Democratic Party ever veer from these issues? Literally we are witnessing an administration being assembled from a campaign that offered "get rid of foreigners" as a solution that will solve all of those problems. That Trump offered a magic wand to make these problems go away as soon as we cleanse our land of migrants doesn't mean the Dems stopped focusing on those problems.

I’m not going to argue with you about it anymore. Only posted it because he talks about his faith being the guiding principle.

 

[finesse]

The jury is still out on marijuana. Research is mixed. Some studies imply that marijuana may be harmful to health. I personally think inhaling any smoke is harmful. The lungs aren't made for breathing smoke. Now, gummies or brownies - I could live with that.

Three ENT surgeons and a radiology oncologist told me personally that they were not aware of any danger.

 

[LeoBloom]

Three ENT surgeons and a radiology oncologist told me personally that they were not aware of any danger.

Yeah, but they were all stoned.

 

[finesse]

Yeah, but they were all stoned.

This was at their place of business. Pretty sure they weren't.

 

[UNCMSinLS]

Three ENT surgeons and a radiology oncologist told me personally that they were not aware of any danger.

No danger of inhaling smoke? I'm sure I could find scores of doctors who would disagree with yours. As for marijuana research, it is ongoing. I heard the story on NPR, which is hardly MAGA radio, that some research suggested harm from smoking marijuana. Perhaps, your doctors need to review some of that literature.

 

[Ramrouser]

In comparison to not being vaccinated and getting others sick, how does this compare?

Can one get high from second hand smoke?
Are there medical concerns?

I’m not certain about those two issues. Are we certain there are no ill effects from 2nd hand (modern) marijuana smoke? What about freedom from noxious smells? I was in San Diego earlier this year and I couldn’t escape it downtown.

 

[uncjhodges]

I’m not certain about those two issues. Are we certain there are no ill effects from 2nd hand (modern) marijuana smoke? What about freedom from noxious smells? I was in San Diego earlier this year and I couldn’t escape it downtown.

Were you forced to spend all your time downtown? Shame there’s some other good neighborhoods in San Diego.

Lived in Seattle- The weed smell is pretty bad at Pioneer Square. Other than that pretty minimal

 

[uncjhodges]

I’m not going to argue with you about it anymore. Only posted it because he talks about his faith being the guiding principle.

It also helps his dad was an uber popular and successful governor in the state so his name ID is good.

 

[finesse]

No danger of inhaling smoke? I'm sure I could find scores of doctors who would disagree with yours. As for marijuana research, it is ongoing. I heard the story on NPR, which is hardly MAGA radio, that some research suggested harm from smoking marijuana. Perhaps, your doctors need to review some of that literature.

More along the lines that in the course of treating patients that they had not run into a case in their experience or the literature. Not an absolute that it was harmless. Tobacco, exposure to HPV and alcohol are biggies in cancer of the larynx. I quit cigarettes 25 years before diagnosis, didn't have HPV and confessed to 50 years of pot smoking and 30 years of drinking around a half pint of whiskey or sometimes whisky a night. They absolutely did not care about the pot and did the drinking. They did tell that if they put in a trach, I'd probably need to find another way. They did and I ended up getting a tincture I could put in my g-tube.

 

[UNCMSinLS]

I’m not certain about those two issues. Are we certain there are no ill effects from 2nd hand (modern) marijuana smoke? What about freedom from noxious smells? I was in San Diego earlier this year and I couldn’t escape it downtown.

I have a feeling that in the future we will come to regret our laissez-faire attitude towards marijuana. I also have a feeling that we regret NOW our laissez-faire attitude toward guns as they needlessly kill FAR more people than weed.

 

[finesse]

I have a feeling that in the future we will come to regret our laissez-faire attitude towards marijuana. I also have a feeling that we regret NOW our laissez-faire attitude toward guns as they needlessly kill FAR more people than weed.

As long as we allow any recreational drug, I hardly see why we would. There seems to be no lethal overdose for all practical purposes or long term physical effects. Why do you think we'll regret it?

 

[UNCatTech]

I’m not certain about those two issues. Are we certain there are no ill effects from 2nd hand (modern) marijuana smoke? What about freedom from noxious smells? I was in San Diego earlier this year and I couldn’t escape it downtown.

You know I do understand your point, I'm just not seeing it as an equal comparison. We know about germs and transmission and herd immunity, etc. We know that vaccines save millions of lives.

Yes, if there are defined medical concerns, I could see your argument having some weight.

As for simply the smell, not so sure.

I've been behind cars driving to NC and you could smell it.

You know, I don't have an issue with people drinking raw milk either. I don't understand it and pasteurization is considered a top 5 development in contributing to life expectancy, but if that what one wants to do it doesn't impact others, so...

My grandmother lived on a small farm, I hated the raw milk that she always served.

 

[tallheel95]

You feel like there’s a big difference between the Covid vaccines and the multiple other vaccines members of the military are required to receive?

I have a lot of interactions with veterans through my job. What I have heard from many of them is that they were fearful about the vaccine and getting unintended, life-long side effects that were possibly unknown since the vaccines were so new. There was so much anxiety around Covid and disinformation about the vaccines was (is?) pretty rampant. Hell, my mother who is the most liberal person you could possibly imagine still doesn't get a flu shot and is bizarrely hesitant about getting her next covid shot.