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I gave the precise citation to the EO, executed on the first day of Joe's presidency, about the border. You are just lying again and again because you have nothing.
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All politics in America are now identity politics. If you don't understand that MAGA is the most comprehensively identity-fueled political movement in modern history, then you don't understand politics.
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Here's the link to a June 2024 EO:
Biden signs executive action drastically tightening border
He has faced political pressure as migrants have continued to arrive at the U.S.-Mexico border.
www.nbcnews.com
Here's the EO from March of 2021 ralated to transgender students.
EO 14021:
Guaranteeing an Educational Environment Free From Discrimination on the Basis of Sex, Including Sexual Orientation or Gender Identity
Signed:March 8, 2021
Published:March 11, 2021FR Citation:86 FR 13803FR Doc. Number:2021-05200
I was wrong about the details of the 2021. It was related to transgender students, not gender affirming surgeries for prisoners. The ultimate perception is largely unchanged.
I didn't see any replies with a citation.
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No, they were better off in the first two years of Trump’s first presidency, pre-pandemic and pre-inflation.
Which is to say, they were better off during the Obama economy, which was dropped right into Trump’s lap, and which he joyfully took all the credit for despite not doing anything to improve upon it. And his dumb cuck cultists like Ramnoiser swallowed his lies about the “world’s greatest economy” whole.
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I agree in terms of the "reality" of inflation, but both candidates ran on reducing inflation (groceries,etc.) going forward. I do think the amount of stimulus pumped into the economy, under Trump and Biden, spurred inflation in consumer goods. It wasn't just supply chain issues beyond a certain point. You can't simultaneously say you'll fix something going forward and shrug off the past saying you couldn't control it. On an intellectual level, I knew all along Harris couldn't control prices. She admitted as much ultimately in moderating her position to only include "gouging" in emergency situations.
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EO 13993, January 20, 2021. Shove the rest of your non stop bullshit back up your cow's ass.Here's the link to a June 2024 EO:
Biden signs executive action drastically tightening border
He has faced political pressure as migrants have continued to arrive at the U.S.-Mexico border.
Here's the EO from March of 2021 ralated to transgender students.
EO 14021:
Guaranteeing an Educational Environment Free From Discrimination on the Basis of Sex, Including Sexual Orientation or Gender Identity
Signed:March 8, 2021
Published:March 11, 2021FR Citation:86 FR 13803FR Doc. Number:2021-05200
I was wrong about the details of the 2021. It was related to transgender students, not gender affirming surgeries for prisoners. The ultimate perception is largely unchanged.
I didn't see any replies with a citation.
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If you are under the impression that EO 13993 was to improve border security, you are wrong... and apparently you are the liar.
EO 13993 revoked Trump Executive Order 13768.
Trump Executive Order 13768:
The order stated that "sanctuary jurisdictions" including sanctuary cities that refused to comply with immigration enforcement measures would not be "eligible to receive Federal grants, except as deemed necessary for law enforcement purposes" by the U.S. Attorney General or Secretary of Homeland Security.
I'll add.... given how freely you throw around accusation of lying, you should really be a little more diligent in confirming your claims.
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That's the point. Contrast to his identity politics by talking "for Americans" Being tarred with identity politics feathers ain't working for Democrats. He's got the job. We contrast when given the opportunity. Bet he will give plenty of openings.
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For ZZL libs, this is the most accurate and concise description of your problem. It’s also an “I told you so” because conservatives have been saying these things for years to the derision of the left. Some on here will agree and some will continue to dismiss it / deny it and those are the ones that aren’t serious and are the ones that the party needs to distance itself from.I normally wouldn't post entire articles from behind a paywall, but Mika Brzezinski read the entire thing on-air...
Democrats and the Case of Mistaken Identity Politics
Nov. 9, 2024
Some Democrats are finally waking up and realizing that woke is broke.
Donald Trump won a majority of white women and remarkable numbers of Black and Latino voters and young men.
Democratic insiders thought people would vote for Kamala Harris, even if they didn’t like her, to get rid of Trump. But more people ended up voting for Trump, even though many didn’t like him, because they liked the Democratic Party less.
I have often talked about how my dad stayed up all night on the night Harry Truman was elected because he was so excited. And my brother stayed up all night the first time Trump was elected because he was so excited. And I felt that Democrats would never recover that kind of excitement until they could figure out why they had turned off so many working-class voters over the decades, and why they had developed such disdain toward their once loyal base.
Democratic candidates have often been avatars of elitism — Michael Dukakis, Al Gore, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton and second-term Barack Obama. The party embraced a worldview of hyper-political correctness, condescension and cancellation, and it supported diversity statements for job applicants and faculty lounge terminology like “Latinx,” and “BIPOC” (Black, Indigenous, People of Color).
This alienated half the country, or more. And the chaos and antisemitism at many college campuses certainly didn’t help.
“When the woke police come at you,” Rahm Emanuel told me, “you don’t even get your Miranda rights read to you.”
There were a lot of Democrats “barking,” people who “don’t represent anybody,” he said, and “the leadership of the party was intimidated.”
Donald Trump played to the irritation of many Americans disgusted at being regarded as insensitive for talking the way they’d always talked. At rallies, he referred to women as “beautiful” and then pretended to admonish himself, saying he’d get in trouble for using that word. He’d also call women “darling” and joke that he had to be careful because his political career could be at risk.
One thing that makes Democrats great is that they unabashedly support groups that have suffered from inequality. But they have to begin avoiding extreme policies that alienate many Americans who would otherwise be drawn to the party.
Democrats learned the hard way in this election that mothers care both about abortion rights and having their daughters compete fairly and safely on the playing field.
A revealing chart that ran in The Financial Times showed that white progressives hold views far to the left of the minorities they champion. White progressives think at higher rates than Hispanic and Black Americans that “racism is built into our society.” Many more Black and Hispanic Americans surveyed, compared with white progressives, responded that “America is the greatest country in the world.”
Gobsmacked Democrats have reacted to the wipeout in different ways. Some think Kamala did not court the left enough, touting trans rights and repudiating Israel.
Other Democrats feel the opposite, calling on the party to reimagine itself.
Marie Gluesenkamp Perez, a vulnerable Democrat in a red congressional district in Washington, narrowly held her seat. The 36-year-old mother of a toddler and owner of an auto shop told The Times’s Annie Karni that Democratic condescension has to go. “There’s not one weird trick that’s going to fix the Democratic Party,” she said. “It is going to take parents of young kids, people in rural communities, people in the trades running for office and being taken seriously.”
Representative Seth Moulton, a Massachusetts Democrat, said the party needs rebranding. “Democrats spend way too much time trying not to offend anyone,” he said. “I have two little girls. I don’t want them getting run over on a playing field by a male or formerly male athlete, but as a Democrat I’m supposed to be afraid to say that.”
On CNN, the Democratic strategist Julie Roginsky said that Democrats did not know how to talk to normal Americans.
Addressing Latinos as “Latinx” to be politically correct “makes them think that we don’t even live on the same planet as they do,” she said. “When we are too afraid to say that ‘Hey, college kids, if you’re trashing a campus of Columbia University because you aren’t happy about some sort of policy and you’re taking over a university and you’re trashing it and preventing other students from learning, that that is unacceptable.’ But we’re so worried about alienating one or another cohort in our coalition that we don’t know what to say.”
Kamala, a Democratic lawmaker told me, made the “colossal mistake” of running a billion-dollar campaign with celebrities like Beyoncé when many of the struggling working-class voters she wanted couldn’t even afford a ticket to a Beyoncé concert, much less a down payment on a home.
“I don’t think the average person said, ‘Kamala Harris gets what I’m going through,’” this Democrat said.
Kamala, who sprinted to the left in her 2020 Democratic primary campaign, tried to move toward the center for this election, making sure to say she’d shoot an intruder with her Glock. But it sounded tinny.
The Trump campaign’s most successful ad showed Kamala favoring tax-funded gender surgery for prisoners. Bill Clinton warned in vain that she should rebut it.
James Carville gave Kamala credit for not leaning into her gender and ethnicity. But he said the party had become enamored of “identitarianism” — a word he uses because he won’t say “woke” — radiating the repellent idea that “identity is more important than humanity.”
“We could never wash off the stench of it,” he said, calling “defund the police” “the three stupidest words in the English language.”
“It’s like when you get smoke on your clothes and you have to wash them again and again. Now people are running away from it like the devil runs away from holy water.”
Opinion | Democrats and the Case of Mistaken Identity Politics
The post mortem is a wake for woke.www.nytimes.com
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Here is section 1 of that Executive Order
"Immigrants have helped strengthen America's families, communities, businesses and workforce, and economy, infusing the United States with creativity, energy, and ingenuity. The task of enforcing the immigration laws is complex and requires setting priorities to best serve the national interest. The policy of my Administration is to protect national and border security, address the humanitarian challenges at the southern border, and ensure public health and safety. We must also adhere to due process of law as we safeguard the dignity and well-being of all families and communities. My Administration will reset the policies and practices for enforcing civil immigration laws to align enforcement with these values and priorities."
Pretty sure that qualifies as an EO addressing the situation at the border. If you are criticizing Biden for repealing illegal EOs that were struck down by courts, say so. Don't say he didn't address the border in any way when he clearly did. And look at the last sentence.
Perhaps part of the problem here is that you don't fully understand what executive orders actually are. They aren't laws. They are statements of policy.
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I don't understand your point. It seems to me that you are contrasting Dems' identity politics with Trump's non-identity politics. What am I missing?
I agree that stimulus during the pandemic contributed to inflation, but we've had stimulus before and haven't had this kind of effect. Also the stimulus was bi-partisan and you can't just say we should have not done the stimulus without taking into account the fact that millions of people were out of work and businesses couldn't operate. Without the stimulus we very well could have completely destroyed the economy and had an even worse problem on our hands than inflation.
The supply chain issues absolutely were the most proximate cause of the inflation we went through, however. Well that and the shift in preferences from services to goods, which exacerbated the supply chain problems. Ultimately you are correct that Harris wouldn't be able to control prices and neither will Trump, except maybe he'll make them go up again if he implements a bunch of tariffs.
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1. Of course she can't. For some reason, it's OK for Trump to say he's going to fix everything with magical pixie dust but Dems have to keep sound economics in mind all the time.
2. All policy making is done under conditions of uncertainty. The choices in early 2021 were go big, which risked mild inflation, or go small, which risked an economic meltdown. They chose to go big, since the last time Biden did it (with Obama) they went too small. It's impossible to know what would have happened otherwise.
3. But it's been pretty well established that the majority of the inflation was real -- i.e. not monetary, i.e. a result of actually constrained production due to shortages and supply chain issues. That's why it was relatively painless to dislodge, as I predicted it would be. It wasn't a monetary phenomenon.
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Here's another link explaining what Biden's EO does, which is to revoke Trump's EO that withheld some federal funding for so-called "sanctuary" states.
Yes, technically it is an EO related to illegal immigrants, but do you really think that action, which is related to restoring funding for sanctuary states, would slow the number of people coming to the border that was the cause of the crisis?
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Sigh. The executive order was not about restoring funding. I mean, that was one effect of it.
The issue here is that you don't understand what executive orders do or how they work. Biden's DHS and DOJ had been working for 18 months at least on the agency action announced in June or July of this year. That's how policy works. It's done inside the agencies, according to established procedures, and subject to judicial review.
You seem to have internalized Trump's magic wand approach, where a president says something and it just happens. That isn't at all how anything works. You've been told this a hundred times by people who actually know things. If you're not even going to bother to try to learn, why should anyone treat you as a serious person? You've made a choice to be as unserious as possible.
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My original claim was that Biden took no action to address the border crisis until his EO in June of 2024, yet he took nearly immediate action to allow males to use girls restrooms. The first EO didn't layout or result in any specific action, hence the need for a second 2+ years later.
How could Latinx alienate half the country when only 10% of the population (at most) is familiar with the term. And I bet BIPOC is less than 5%.I normally wouldn't post entire articles from behind a paywall, but Mika Brzezinski read the entire thing on-air...
Democrats and the Case of Mistaken Identity Politics
Nov. 9, 2024
Some Democrats are finally waking up and realizing that woke is broke.
Donald Trump won a majority of white women and remarkable numbers of Black and Latino voters and young men.
Democratic insiders thought people would vote for Kamala Harris, even if they didn’t like her, to get rid of Trump. But more people ended up voting for Trump, even though many didn’t like him, because they liked the Democratic Party less.
I have often talked about how my dad stayed up all night on the night Harry Truman was elected because he was so excited. And my brother stayed up all night the first time Trump was elected because he was so excited. And I felt that Democrats would never recover that kind of excitement until they could figure out why they had turned off so many working-class voters over the decades, and why they had developed such disdain toward their once loyal base.
Democratic candidates have often been avatars of elitism — Michael Dukakis, Al Gore, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton and second-term Barack Obama. The party embraced a worldview of hyper-political correctness, condescension and cancellation, and it supported diversity statements for job applicants and faculty lounge terminology like “Latinx,” and “BIPOC” (Black, Indigenous, People of Color).
This alienated half the country, or more. And the chaos and antisemitism at many college campuses certainly didn’t help.
“When the woke police come at you,” Rahm Emanuel told me, “you don’t even get your Miranda rights read to you.”
There were a lot of Democrats “barking,” people who “don’t represent anybody,” he said, and “the leadership of the party was intimidated.”
Donald Trump played to the irritation of many Americans disgusted at being regarded as insensitive for talking the way they’d always talked. At rallies, he referred to women as “beautiful” and then pretended to admonish himself, saying he’d get in trouble for using that word. He’d also call women “darling” and joke that he had to be careful because his political career could be at risk.
One thing that makes Democrats great is that they unabashedly support groups that have suffered from inequality. But they have to begin avoiding extreme policies that alienate many Americans who would otherwise be drawn to the party.
Democrats learned the hard way in this election that mothers care both about abortion rights and having their daughters compete fairly and safely on the playing field.
A revealing chart that ran in The Financial Times showed that white progressives hold views far to the left of the minorities they champion. White progressives think at higher rates than Hispanic and Black Americans that “racism is built into our society.” Many more Black and Hispanic Americans surveyed, compared with white progressives, responded that “America is the greatest country in the world.”
Gobsmacked Democrats have reacted to the wipeout in different ways. Some think Kamala did not court the left enough, touting trans rights and repudiating Israel.
Other Democrats feel the opposite, calling on the party to reimagine itself.
Marie Gluesenkamp Perez, a vulnerable Democrat in a red congressional district in Washington, narrowly held her seat. The 36-year-old mother of a toddler and owner of an auto shop told The Times’s Annie Karni that Democratic condescension has to go. “There’s not one weird trick that’s going to fix the Democratic Party,” she said. “It is going to take parents of young kids, people in rural communities, people in the trades running for office and being taken seriously.”
Representative Seth Moulton, a Massachusetts Democrat, said the party needs rebranding. “Democrats spend way too much time trying not to offend anyone,” he said. “I have two little girls. I don’t want them getting run over on a playing field by a male or formerly male athlete, but as a Democrat I’m supposed to be afraid to say that.”
On CNN, the Democratic strategist Julie Roginsky said that Democrats did not know how to talk to normal Americans.
Addressing Latinos as “Latinx” to be politically correct “makes them think that we don’t even live on the same planet as they do,” she said. “When we are too afraid to say that ‘Hey, college kids, if you’re trashing a campus of Columbia University because you aren’t happy about some sort of policy and you’re taking over a university and you’re trashing it and preventing other students from learning, that that is unacceptable.’ But we’re so worried about alienating one or another cohort in our coalition that we don’t know what to say.”
Kamala, a Democratic lawmaker told me, made the “colossal mistake” of running a billion-dollar campaign with celebrities like Beyoncé when many of the struggling working-class voters she wanted couldn’t even afford a ticket to a Beyoncé concert, much less a down payment on a home.
“I don’t think the average person said, ‘Kamala Harris gets what I’m going through,’” this Democrat said.
Kamala, who sprinted to the left in her 2020 Democratic primary campaign, tried to move toward the center for this election, making sure to say she’d shoot an intruder with her Glock. But it sounded tinny.
The Trump campaign’s most successful ad showed Kamala favoring tax-funded gender surgery for prisoners. Bill Clinton warned in vain that she should rebut it.
James Carville gave Kamala credit for not leaning into her gender and ethnicity. But he said the party had become enamored of “identitarianism” — a word he uses because he won’t say “woke” — radiating the repellent idea that “identity is more important than humanity.”
“We could never wash off the stench of it,” he said, calling “defund the police” “the three stupidest words in the English language.”
“It’s like when you get smoke on your clothes and you have to wash them again and again. Now people are running away from it like the devil runs away from holy water.”
Opinion | Democrats and the Case of Mistaken Identity Politics
The post mortem is a wake for woke.
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1. It did result in specific action. Just not the action you thought was appropriate. Note that Trump's border policy remained in place until 2023. Biden did not scrap the Title 42 authority. That just expired.
2. Your characterization of that EO as being about bathrooms is noxious and inaccurate.
3. EOs do not ever result in specific action, because they do not have the force of law. They always direct agencies to do things. And they can't tell the agencies what policies to enact because administrative law won't permit rule-making like that. Again, the problem here is that you don't understand law. Instead of making an ass of yourself all the time, why don't you take a day or two to read something about how the executive branch works?
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From the CBP website:
Statistics Show Lowest Southwest Border Encounters in Nearly Four Years
WASHINGTON — U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) released operational statistics today for July 2024, which show a significant decline in migrant encounters during the first full month after a Presidential Proclamation issued June 4, 2024, by President Biden to temporarily suspend the entry of certain noncitizens across the southern border. U.S. Border Patrol encounters in July were 32% lower than in June 2024 and were the lowest monthly total along the southwest border since September 2020. July’s total numbers between ports of entry are also lower than July 2019, and lower than the monthly average for all of 2019, the last comparable year prior to the pandemic. CBP monthly reporting can be viewed on CBP’s Stats and Summaries webpage.
My claim that Biden took nearly immediate action to allow males into girls restrooms is accurate, even if the EO had other effects as well.
You may not like my approach or wording, but my claim is factual and it doesn't take a mind reading ability to recognize that the time of each action was no coincidental.