Where do we go from here?

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LosPollosHermanos said:
At this point it's pretty clear in my mind that I live in a bubble and that this board is a super-bubble. As a group we are completely out of touch with the average American. I'm as guilty as anyone of this (actually moreso) but the condescention to conservatives isn't working. Liberals as a group have what I would call a "bad case of better than". This con man is likely going to win the popular vote and unfortunately just proclaiming that every single person that voted for him is an idiot is not a practical way of looking at it.

How good is the economy really? It's damn good if you have an IRA and a good job. It sucks if you live in a small town, have the same job you always had, and the extra $300 you had left over every month after paying all your monthly bills is now eaten up by the price of groceries. We're just out of touch. Not all the people who cast these votes are bad people but a lot of them are straight up "fuck you" votes. We all need to step back and take a look at ourselves. When I see a Trumper struggling my thought has typically been "he's struggling because he's not that bright to begin with and wants someone to blame other than himself for his predicament." And unfortunately many of us project that kind of arrogance which makes a lot of people hate us even more than we hate Trump.

I don't have time to write a novel right now. Maybe tonight when I'm drinking this off I'll come back and vent. But I'm pretty humbled by this and those are my initial thoughts.
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Thia poast should be pinned on this board for the next four years.
 
Lando said:
I don't see that turning around for quite some time. I believe one of the results of this election will be a worsening of the male lonliness epidemic as more women (and even liberal men) cut those guys out of their lives.
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based on some of the exit polls, sure seems like plenty of women are all for what these guys are selling. At least half the white women in the country in fact
 
Paine said:
Right. Part of Tester’s issue was being tied to the Democratic brand and being an incumbent for years, IMO. I’m also not sure how populist of a campaign Tester ran. I can’t speak on it really.
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Good thread Rodoheel. I also was curious how liberal Tester might be considered so I searched and found a January 2023 senate scorecard tallied by 538 for voting with Biden’s position on bills. Here is a subset of senators:
Sherrod Brown (98%+), Krysten Sinema (93%), Jacky Rosen (92%), Jon Tester (91%), Bernie Sanders (91%), Joe Manchin (88%), Susan Collins (68%), Lisa Murkowski (67%), median Republican (~35%)

I guess it could be seen as surprising that Sherrod Brown, Jon Tester, and Joe Manchin stayed in the senate for multiple terms being from red states and voting with a Democratic president 88-98% of the time. I did not find anything regarding voting with Trump’s position (during his term).
 
We don't go anywhere from here. The most engaged and well meaning portion of the voting populace is now totally disengaged and will never again have a seat at the table. It's total idiocracy from this point forward for both parties.
 
I have felt the disdain here for 3rd parties. But I truly believe there is a great sea of moderate politically-minded wannabe voters just waiting for a charismatic leader. A leader not associated with extremes. A democracy can only be governed from the center. If it ain't in the center, it ain't a democracy.
 
LosPollosHermanos said:
At this point it's pretty clear in my mind that I live in a bubble and that this board is a super-bubble. As a group we are completely out of touch with the average American. I'm as guilty as anyone of this (actually moreso) but the condescention to conservatives isn't working. Liberals as a group have what I would call a "bad case of better than". This con man is likely going to win the popular vote and unfortunately just proclaiming that every single person that voted for him is an idiot is not a practical way of looking at it.

How good is the economy really? It's damn good if you have an IRA and a good job. It sucks if you live in a small town, have the same job you always had, and the extra $300 you had left over every month after paying all your monthly bills is now eaten up by the price of groceries. We're just out of touch. Not all the people who cast these votes are bad people but a lot of them are straight up "fuck you" votes. We all need to step back and take a look at ourselves. When I see a Trumper struggling my thought has typically been "he's struggling because he's not that bright to begin with and wants someone to blame other than himself for his predicament." And unfortunately many of us project that kind of arrogance which makes a lot of people hate us even more than we hate Trump.

I don't have time to write a novel right now. Maybe tonight when I'm drinking this off I'll come back and vent. But I'm pretty humbled by this and those are my initial thoughts.
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Does that mean that since I'm a redneck white male blue collar worker with a high school education I can be condescending? Just checking. Some of them deserve it.

Otoh, in 45 years of carpentry and related work, I don't think I ever ran into anyone, no matter how dumb they might act, that wasn't better than me at something. If your first thoughts are that they are stupid, you are indeed arrogant. They may be that or drug addicted or come from an extremely difficult start that made it difficult to get a good start to life. Some of them are just normal people trying to feed their family. Some, like me, are liberal. In other words, you can't look for a solution that has no room for the exceptions.

I still believe that finding some way to establish a shared source to trusted information is essential, though.
 
altmin said:
based on some of the exit polls, sure seems like plenty of women are all for what these guys are selling. At least half the white women in the country in fact
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The gender gap in the 18-29 range is pretty big but even if there was no gender gap we would be looking at a worsening of the problem. There is less sympathy for loneliness problem than there was.
 
Calheel said:
Politics have become more tribal and Brown's/Tester's tribe didn't embrace their working class, everyman politics.
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Not arguing with you
But can you clarify-give a couple of examples of policies
 
Croatoan said:
Thia poast should be pinned on this board for the next four years.
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Yes, I'll be sure to think of it when Trump and his base are saying they want to kill me and that I'm evil and anti-Christian and support perverts and pedophiles and that the presidential candidate I voted for is a cunt and a bitch. I will certainly plan to be humble and modest around such people while they yell insults at me wearing their Trump gear and Jesus Saves stickers on the back of their truck or SUV. Respect is a two-way street, and arrogance is hardly limited to liberals.
 
tarheelbillie said:
I have felt the disdain here for 3rd parties. But I truly believe there is a great sea of moderate politically-minded wannabe voters just waiting for a charismatic leader. A leader not associated with extremes. A democracy can only be governed from the center. If it ain't in the center, it ain't a democracy.
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The problem with third parties is that the electoral college and winner-take-all system on which it is based (at least in every state except Maine and Nebraska) make it nearly impossible for third parties to ever win a presidential election. And the single-district system used in the House of Representatives also makes it very difficult for third parties to get a foothold in the system, at least for more than an election cycle or two. IMO, the only way that a third party might ever become a serious force in US politics is if the electoral college is abolished, which isn't going to happen, at least in my lifetime anyway.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
The problem with third parties is that the electoral college and winner-take-all system on which it is based (at least in every state except Maine and Nebraska) make it nearly impossible for third parties to ever win a presidential election. And the single-district system used in the House of Representatives also makes it very difficult for third parties to get a foothold in the system, at least for more than an election cycle or two. IMO, the only way that a third party might ever become a serious force in US politics is if the electoral college is abolished, which isn't going to happen, at least in my lifetime anyway.
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I don't want a third party I don't want a bunch of uncommitted "Independants " It just muddies the damn water
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Yes, I'll be sure to think of it when Trump and his base are saying they want to kill me and that I'm evil and anti-Christian and support perverts and pedophiles and that the presidential candidate I voted for is a cunt and a bitch. I will certainly plan to be humble and modest around such people while they yell insults at me wearing their Trump gear and Jesus Saves stickers on the back of their truck or SUV. Respect is a two-way street, and arrogance is hardly limited to liberals.
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I’ve seen less melodrama binge-watching every season of Dawson’s Creek than in this one poast.
 
LosPollosHermanos said:
At this point it's pretty clear in my mind that I live in a bubble and that this board is a super-bubble. As a group we are completely out of touch with the average American. I'm as guilty as anyone of this (actually moreso) but the condescention to conservatives isn't working. Liberals as a group have what I would call a "bad case of better than". This con man is likely going to win the popular vote and unfortunately just proclaiming that every single person that voted for him is an idiot is not a practical way of looking at it.

How good is the economy really? It's damn good if you have an IRA and a good job. It sucks if you live in a small town, have the same job you always had, and the extra $300 you had left over every month after paying all your monthly bills is now eaten up by the price of groceries. We're just out of touch. Not all the people who cast these votes are bad people but a lot of them are straight up "fuck you" votes. We all need to step back and take a look at ourselves. When I see a Trumper struggling my thought has typically been "he's struggling because he's not that bright to begin with and wants someone to blame other than himself for his predicament." And unfortunately many of us project that kind of arrogance which makes a lot of people hate us even more than we hate Trump.

I don't have time to write a novel right now. Maybe tonight when I'm drinking this off I'll come back and vent. But I'm pretty humbled by this and those are my initial thoughts.
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Might be the best post in the short history of this board. Should be required reading for everyone who posts here.
 
Croatoan said:
I’ve seen less melodrama binge-watching every season of Dawson’s Creek than in this one poast.
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Lollers. I've seen some good comebacks over the years, but that is one of the lamest I've seen. Dawson's Creek, seriously? And you didn't refute a single thing I posted.
 
LosPollosHermanos said:
At this point it's pretty clear in my mind that I live in a bubble and that this board is a super-bubble. As a group we are completely out of touch with the average American. I'm as guilty as anyone of this (actually moreso) but the condescention to conservatives isn't working. Liberals as a group have what I would call a "bad case of better than". This con man is likely going to win the popular vote and unfortunately just proclaiming that every single person that voted for him is an idiot is not a practical way of looking at it.

How good is the economy really? It's damn good if you have an IRA and a good job. It sucks if you live in a small town, have the same job you always had, and the extra $300 you had left over every month after paying all your monthly bills is now eaten up by the price of groceries. We're just out of touch. Not all the people who cast these votes are bad people but a lot of them are straight up "fuck you" votes. We all need to step back and take a look at ourselves. When I see a Trumper struggling my thought has typically been "he's struggling because he's not that bright to begin with and wants someone to blame other than himself for his predicament." And unfortunately many of us project that kind of arrogance which makes a lot of people hate us even more than we hate Trump.

I don't have time to write a novel right now. Maybe tonight when I'm drinking this off I'll come back and vent. But I'm pretty humbled by this and those are my initial thoughts.
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You, and so many others, have been manipulated into believing so many things that are simply not true by a party, aided and abetted by the liberal media, who desperately wanted to stay in power. After 4 more years of another Trump presidency have passed and none of the dire consequences the left has warned you about actually happen, you need to ask yourself why you were so easily manipulated and after doing so, maybe get a little pissed off about it.

Donald Trump colluded with Russia, Jussie Smollett was attacked by two Trump supporters, Trump called White Supremacists good people, Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation, Border Patrol was whipping migrants, the border is secure while millions of illegals walk across it and also while many more were being flown into cities all across this nation, Joe Biden is running circles around everybody behind the scenes....all lies. Were you convinced to believe any of it?

You want to know who is responsible for creating the vast majority of the division created over the last 8 years? The Democratic Party and the liberal media. The Democrats could have simply acknowledged that Trump beat Hillary, moved on and tried to find common ground. But no, they declared war on Trump and tried to win by any means necessary all the while trying to convince their supporters to hate Trump enough to play along. And in far too many cases it worked.

The nation has moved on from that BS. And if there are any people who still believe all the propaganda, spread across all the years, in an effort to convince you to hate Donald Trump....you are now in the minority. This election proves it.
 
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PandemicBlue said:
You, and so many others, have been manipulated into believing so many things that are simply not true by a party, aided and abetted by the liberal media, who desperately wanted to stay in power. After 4 more years of another Trump presidency have passed and none of the dire consequences the left has warned you about actually happen, you need to ask yourself why you were so easily manipulated and after doing so, maybe get a little pissed off about it.

Donald Trump colluded with Russia, Jussie Smollett was attacked by two Trump supporters, Trump call White Supremacists good people, Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation, Border Patrol was whipping migrants, the border is secure while millions of illegals walk across it and also while many more were being flown into cities all across this nation, Joe Biden is running circles around everybody behind the scenes....all lies. Were you convinced to believe any of it?

You want to know who is responsible for creating the vast majority of the division created over the last 8 years? The Democratic Party and the liberal media. The Democrats could have simply acknowledged that Trump beat Hillary, moved on and tried to find common ground. But no, they declared war on Trump and tried to win by any means necessary all the while trying to convince their supporters to hate Trump enough to play along. And in far too many cases it worked.

The nation has moved on from that BS. And if there are any people who still believe all the propaganda, spread across all the years, in an effort to convince you to hate Donald Trump....you are now in the minority. This election proves it.
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Be careful. Haha
 
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