Where do we go from here?

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wmheel1287 said:
We don't go anywhere from here. The most engaged and well meaning portion of the voting populace is now totally disengaged and will never again have a seat at the table. It's total idiocracy from this point forward for both parties.
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This is my thought as well. I think we’re about to enter a surrealist horror movie, with an idiot version of Juan Peron, and his militias, as the villains.
 
LosPollosHermanos said:
As a group we are completely out of touch with the average American.
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Jfc, speak for yourself. I’m literally in the fucking grime with magas everyday I go to work. Numerous other posters are as well. Just bc you may have become deluded by the over-the-top bullshit some posters sprayed blithely, in the weeks leading up, doesn’t mean “as a group” this board is a hermetically sealed ideology bubble.
 
EyeballKid said:
I count myself among many on this board who grew up in rural towns, among rural whites.

I have 5 uncles and several cousins who are rural, blue collar folks—mechanics, farmers, volunteer firefighters, cops, etc.

All of them have been hardcore rightwingers for decades—the types who listened to Rush Limbaugh on AM radio back in the 80s/90s.

I went to HS in a rural white community, where most folks went to the same church.

My relatives and the folks in my community made fun of anyone who went to college. “Poindexters, liberals, and fags” go to college, they’d say. When I went to grad school for a grad degree in English, some of them snickered and muttered “***.” They still make homophobic jokes to this day—the fact that im a single 50-yr old guy, never married, no kids, is cause for their ire.

They called all the Hispanic immigrants who came through town for seasonal work on farms by the same name. “Jose’s” they’d call em. As in “Did ya see that truck full of Jose’s out yonder?”

They’d rail against black welfare queens and bitch and moan about the liberals taking god out of schools.

I see their seething hatred in every Trump rally. I hear it in the rants about childless cat women. I hear it cloaked in every interview with every white rural asshole who claims they really didn’t want to vote for Trump, but liberals forced them to because gas costs too much.

It has taken root over 40 years in rural communities. It’s the same as it ever was.

So you can miss me with this bullshit.
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Yeah, I mean I may have grown up in the same town. And the people you describe no doubt exist and are common. I could go on about my experiences for ages and I will after I get my kids to bed and have a few nightcaps. But when you win a popular vote by 5 million, win every blue wall state, you're not just pulling from the raging rednecks. We've always known he is the pied piper of white trash, but his base is increasing into more normal seeming people. It's almost like a stage of Marxism is happening, but the white working class isn't just mad at the robber barons, they're fucking mad at everyone who isn't sweating the rent every month. And by God all we do is flame them about their plight and get them even more mad. Nobody is even trying to relate to them. The most we do to try and relate to them is pick an everyman VP whose net worth is only $300K. It's like the dems brushed them off and just said we don't need you, now go on about your business, losers. And it's not gonna work any more. There has to be a plan to reach the reasonable ones in there that might actually have a good reason to not like the libs so much and turn some of them around. We're fucking losing.
 
PandemicBlue said:
You, and so many others, have been manipulated into believing so many things that are simply not true by a party, aided and abetted by the liberal media, who desperately wanted to stay in power. After 4 more years of another Trump presidency have passed and none of the dire consequences the left has warned you about actually happen, you need to ask yourself why you were so easily manipulated and after doing so, maybe get a little pissed off about it.

Donald Trump colluded with Russia, Jussie Smollett was attacked by two Trump supporters, Trump call White Supremacists good people, Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation, Border Patrol was whipping migrants, the border is secure while millions of illegals walk across it and also while many more were being flown into cities all across this nation, Joe Biden is running circles around everybody behind the scenes....all lies. Were you convinced to believe any of it?

You want to know who is responsible for creating the vast majority of the division created over the last 8 years? The Democratic Party and the liberal media. The Democrats could have simply acknowledged that Trump beat Hillary, moved on and tried to find common ground. But no, they declared war on Trump and tried to win by any means necessary all the while trying to convince their supporters to hate Trump enough to play along. And in far too many cases it worked.

The nation has moved on from that BS. And if there are any people who still believe all the propaganda, spread across all the years, in an effort to convince you to hate Donald Trump....you are now in the minority. This election proves it.
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Not sure if you’re being disingenuous or if that just a warped, misinformed view of dialect recent events.
 
HeelingAg said:
Jfc, speak for yourself. I’m literally in the fucking grime with magas everyday I go to work. Numerous other posters are as well. Just bc you may have become deluded by the over-the-top bullshit some posters sprayed blithely, in the weeks leading up, doesn’t mean “as a group” this board is a hermetically sealed ideology bubble.
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Yeah, there is a form of argument that takes one example and extrapolates from that one example that an entire premise is wrong. If you're super clued in, good for you, but that doesn't prove shit about this place. This board is in blue la la land and has been for years. If people just need a place to bitch and complain and make themselves feel better, well this is the place. But somebody needs to start thinking about what the fuck just happened and stop pretending that 75 million people are all just raging foaming at the mouth lunatics.
 
Icky Mettle said:
Not sure if you’re being disingenuous or if that just a warped, misinformed view of dialect recent events.
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Definitely disingenuous. PandumbicBoob is a vestige from the old ZZLP (where he was banned multiple times for trolling and derailing threads) and the TarPit, and he is essentially another riverheel. Do not engage.
 
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LosPollosHermanos said:
I just see must of you stereotyping every single Trump voter into the


Yeah, I mean I may have grown up in the same town. And the people you describe no doubt exist and are common. I could go on about my experiences for ages and I will after I get my kids to bed and have a few nightcaps. But when you win a popular vote by 5 million, win every blue wall state, you're not just pulling from the raging rednecks. We've always known he is the pied piper of white trash, but his base is increasing into more normal seeming people. It's almost like a stage of Marxism is happening, but the white working class isn't just mad at the robber barons, they're fucking mad at everyone who isn't sweating the rent every month. And by God all we do is flame them about their plight and get them even more mad. Nobody is even trying to relate to them. The most we do to try and relate to them is pick an everyman VP whose net worth is only $300K. It's like the dems brushed them off and just said we don't need you, now go on about your business, losers. And it's not gonna work any more. There has to be a plan to reach the reasonable ones in there that might actually have a good reason to not like the libs so much and turn some of them around. We're fucking losing.
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Bullshit.

Dems consistently lay out plans to help rural WWC people. Kamala talked about going after price gougers, had plans for $25k subsidies for first-time homebuyers and tax breaks for construction companies. Liz Warren had myriad plans. Hillary noted the need to fund re-training programs and vo-tech programs for those in rural/depressed areas.

No rural white folks gave a fuck about any of those plans.

That’s why your whole idea rings false. They’re not looking for real solutions. They’re not interested in policy positions and in government officials who provide well-researched and informed answers to difficult problems.

They’re motivated by hate and rage. Racial, socioeconomic, gender-based hate and rage. And Trump is the human manifestation of all of that rage.
 
There will be plenty of times for postmortems. Pretty much nothing discussed here today is of value. Most of the “analysis” of the election I’ve read on this board today is butthurt bullshit. At least wait until the body is cold (and we have good data) before opining on solutions.
 
LosPollosHermanos said:
Yeah, there is a form of argument that takes one example and extrapolates from that one example that an entire premise is wrong.
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Same goes for the assumptions one imbues into another’s post.

There’s a reason I might selectively refute a quote, while leaving the remainder of the post unopposed.
 
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korgguy1971 said:
Definitely disingenuous. PandumbicBoob is a vestige from the old ZZLP (where he was banned multiple times for trolling and derailing threads) and the TarPit, and he is essentially another riverheel. Do not engage.
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I post what I believe and newsflash, Donald Trump just won....by the popular vote no less. Enough people have seen through the lies. Don't be like the Japanese soldier lost in the jungle who for 29 years, continued to fight as if WWII wasn't over.

And I was never banned from the TarPit. I was banned multiple times from the ZZLP but the fact that Inside Carolina unloaded that board kinda speaks for itself.
 
PandemicBlue said:
I post what I believe and newsflash, Donald Trump just won....by the popular vote no less. Enough people have seen through the lies. Don't be like the Japanese soldier lost in the jungle who for 29 years, continued to fight as if WWII wasn't over.

And I was never banned from the TarPit. I was banned multiple times from the ZZLP but the fact that Inside Carolina unloaded that board kinda speaks for itself.
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He didn’t write that you were banned from The Tar Pit.

Reading IS Fundamental.
 
LosPollosHermanos said:
Yeah, there is a form of argument that takes one example and extrapolates from that one example that an entire premise is wrong. If you're super clued in, good for you, but that doesn't prove shit about this place. This board is in blue la la land and has been for years. If people just need a place to bitch and complain and make themselves feel better, well this is the place. But somebody needs to start thinking about what the fuck just happened and stop pretending that 75 million people are all just raging foaming at the mouth lunatics.
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You are literally posting on a thread that is for us to "start thinking about what the fuck just happened" and not "pretending that 75 million people are all just raging foaming at the mouth lunatics." This is from the second part of my initial two-part post starting the thread:

"Dems have no path forward unless they can rebuild their relationship with working-class populations. Messaging has to be crafted to appeal to them. We have to meet them where they are. They want messaging that appeals to them emotionally, not rationally. Not just economic messaging, but cultural messaging. Too many of them were convinced by the Pied Pipers of Trump, Fox News, et al that liberals hate them and look down on them, and in our frustration about them fleeing to Trump we made that easy to believe. And we can't just blame racism or culture-war grievances, because working-class minorities fled to Trump too. How do we message to them in a way that is coherent without alienating the more progressive parts of the liberal coalition? Not a dilemma I'd want to solve."

Stop lecturing us like you're the only person here who knows a Republican and/or understands that Democrats have lost working class voters and need to appeal to them better. It is no more productive to say that the only reason working class people vote for Trump is that college-educated liberals talk down to them than it is to say that the only reason people vote for Trump is that they're "raging foaming at the mouth lunatics." Of course 75 million people aren't raging foaming at the mouth lunatics. But placing the lion's share of the blame for Trump's success on the idea that liberals refuse to talk to or try to understand Trump voters is asinine. For Christ's sake, between 2016 and now we must have had 15,000 versions of the New York Times article "I met with Trump voters in a small-town diner to talk with them and try to understand them better." Are Fox News and Tucker Carlson doing pieces like that to try to help their viewers understand where liberals and progressives are coming from? Hell no; it's a lot easier to just paint us all as trans commie soy boys who want to impose mandatory sensitivity training for anyone who doesn't live within five minutes of a Starbucks.

We definitely have a big problem in this country with voters from different backgrounds not knowing or understanding each other, but that's a problem that cuts across all demographics in all directions. I'm fairly confident that liberals have done more to try to understand MAGA voters than the other way around, even if most of us still haven't done enough.
 
rodoheel said:
Breaking news: according to progressives, a more progressive candidate would have apparently won every single election a Democrat ever lost.
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Just posting a relevant article from a thoughtful mind on the left.
 
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