ZZLP impact on IC?

Calheel said:
If one person describes the glass as half-full, and another person describes the glass as half-empty, neither has said anything incorrect,
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HY said that the Mack era was "far above the historical norm". I don't see how that can be described as accurate when the win-loss percentage is virtually identical to our historical record. Adding in the fact that we wasted arguably the two best QB's in our history is more subjective, but the defense being historically terrible is another fact, so I'm not sure why you'd have an issue with what I posted. I've said before I don't think the Mack era has been failure, more like a missed opportunity - but I definitely don't think it's accurate to characterize it as far above the historical norm.
 
Enigma94 said:
HY said that the Mack era was "far above the historical norm". I don't see how that can be described as accurate when the win-loss percentage is virtually identical to our historical record. Adding in the fact that we wasted arguably the two best QB's in our history is more subjective, but the defense being historically terrible is another fact, so I'm not sure why you'd have an issue with what I posted. I've said before I don't think the Mack era has been failure, more like a missed opportunity - but I definitely don't think it's accurate to characterize it as far above the historical norm.
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Because there are other ways to evaluate success than a five year win loss record. Heelyeah is correct that a top 10 ranking at least once in four different years, an orange bowl appearance and a conference championship appearance is considerably better than out five year average.

Just focusing on a single stat, while true, doesn’t tell the whole picture.

Also, he inherited a program that had won five games in two years. That would be a significant handicap for most coaches. It is not as though he was taking over from Nick Saban.
 
Enigma94 said:
We’ve won 56% of our games historically and 58% the last 5 years, so far and away better than the norm is a massive stretch. When you consider there are more cupcake games in the modern era and the fact we had arguably the two best players we’ve ever had at the most important position on the field I can’t get on board with the idea that Mack 2.0 has been something we should appreciate and better than we have a right to expect.
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Enigma94 said:
What did I say that's incorrect?
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Nothing. Frankly, anyone who tries to compare our win % over the last 5 seasons to our all time program win % as a way to defend Mack, is grasping at straws. That’s such a flawed way to evaluate success lol.
 
Calheel said:
Because there are other ways to evaluate success than a five year win loss record. Heelyeah is correct that a top 10 ranking at least once in four different years, an orange bowl appearance and a conference championship appearance is considerably better than out five year average.

Just focusing on a single stat, while true, doesn’t tell the whole picture.

Also, he inherited a program that had won five games in two years. That would be a significant handicap for most coaches. It is not as though he was taking over from Nick Saban.
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I was going to respond but this quoted post from Calheel already sums up what I was going to say.

Nice to be on the same side of a debate on here, Cal! ;)
 
Calheel said:
Because there are other ways to evaluate success than a five year win loss record. Heelyeah is correct that a top 10 ranking at least once in four different years, an orange bowl appearance and a conference championship appearance is considerably better than out five year average.

Just focusing on a single stat, while true, doesn’t tell the whole picture.

Also, he inherited a program that had won five games in two years. That would be a significant handicap for most coaches. It is not as though he was taking over from Nick Saban.
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It’s fine if we disagree but to me you are what your record says you are. In three of those “top ten” seasons we finished the season unranked. One of those top tens was preseason and we promptly lost to a VT team that would end up 6-7 in the first game and then a couple of weeks later lost to a GT team that ended up 3-9. We were never ranked again, so counting that season as a success under any metric seems odd to me. Unfortunately for Mack the entire season counts.
 
Enigma94 said:
It’s fine if we disagree but to me you are what your record says you are. In three of those “top ten” seasons we finished the season unranked. One of those top tens was preseason and we promptly lost to a VT team that would end up 6-7 in the first game and then a couple of weeks later lost to a GT team that ended up 3-9. We were never ranked again, so counting that season as a success under any metric seems odd to me. Unfortunately for Mack the entire season counts.
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I think it counts in the sense that we were nationally relevant for an entire off-season. National CFB shows were talking about the Heels. There was a real buzz about the program. Now, that lasted until approximately the 2d quarter in Blacksburg (and the ACC did us no favors making us go on the road to Va tech for the first non-Covid game in two years) but compared to where we were in 2017 and 2018? When I think of the success of a coach, that is one of the things I think about. Did Carolina football matter when he was there? Obviously, the last few years have not ended the way we would like, and the repeated losses to double digit underdogs are confounding. On the other hand, you have to be doing something right to be a double digit favorite regularly.

And there have been some very, very awesome moments in the last few years, most memorably, the last two home games against Duke and the 2020 win at Miami. Those Wake Forest wins have been pretty great, too.
 
Calheel said:
I think it counts in the sense that we were nationally relevant for an entire off-season. National CFB shows were talking about the Heels. There was a real buzz about the program. Now, that lasted until approximately the 2d quarter in Blacksburg (and the ACC did us no favors making us go on the road to Va tech for the first non-Covid game in two years) but compared to where we were in 2017 and 2018? When I think of the success of a coach, that is one of the things I think about. Did Carolina football matter when he was there? Obviously, the last few years have not ended the way we would like, and the repeated losses to double digit underdogs are confounding. On the other hand, you have to be doing something right to be a double digit favorite regularly.

And there have been some very, very awesome moments in the last few years, most memorably, the last two home games against Duke and the 2020 win at Miami. Those Wake Forest wins have been pretty great, too.
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Wins against d00k, Wake, and this era’s Miami……..yeah…..that’ll have college football thinking, “The Heels are a power.”
 
Rock said:
I was going to suggest a rename. :ROFLMAO:
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Going back to the OP, I was interested in hearing more about the bees, goats and dogs. I was thinking a pretty cool, small farm producing local honey, goats milk cheese and soap and a couple of Great Pyrenees to patrol the perimeter and keep the goats safe.

But I guess a football thread works too. 🤓
 
1moretimeagain said:
Has the IC Premium Football board ramped back up to speed?
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If you haven't read it, you might be interested in the discussion in the thread about IC moving to On3. It has some previous answers to the question you asked.

NYCBlueBlood

Off-Topic Thread 'IC going to On3'

I'm not sure I even know what that means...

My take is that neither IC nor the 247 site has the same traffic as before. It appears that a good number moved to On3 with IC, a good number stayed behind at 247, and some folks just left altogether.
 
SnoopRob said:
If you haven't read it, you might be interested in the discussion in the thread about IC moving to On3. It has some previous answers to the question you asked.

NYCBlueBlood

Off-Topic Thread 'IC going to On3'

I'm not sure I even know what that means...

My take is that neither IC nor the 247 site has the same traffic as before. It appears that a good number moved to On3 with IC, a good number stayed behind at 247, and some folks just left altogether.
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I left altogether, About 2-3 times per week, i think about it and miss an article or two but do not miss the message board
 
SnoopRob said:
If you haven't read it, you might be interested in the discussion in the thread about IC moving to On3. It has some previous answers to the question you asked.

NYCBlueBlood

Off-Topic Thread 'IC going to On3'

I'm not sure I even know what that means...

My take is that neither IC nor the 247 site has the same traffic as before. It appears that a good number moved to On3 with IC, a good number stayed behind at 247, and some folks just left altogether.
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That’s actually the thread I intended to post the question on. I didn’t know if things may have picked up once we moved into game week.
 
The political thread on the old IC (247) is an absolute shitshow. Unsurprisingly, a couple new looney tunes posters have emerged and made that thread a dumping ground for unhinged far right narratives. There seems to be no moderation at all.
 
JCTarheel82 said:
The political thread on the old IC (247) is an absolute shitshow. Unsurprisingly, a couple new looney tunes posters have emerged and made that thread a dumping ground for unhinged far right narratives. There seems to be no moderation at all.
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I am not sure if they have sports moderators yet either. I know a lot of people who were, let's say - difficult on game threads, stayed behind. It will be interesting to see how their game threads are.
 
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