2024 Pre-Election Political Polls | POLL - Trump would have had 7 point lead over Biden

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BillyL said:
Bring it on . . . !
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This time around, Joe Biden holds the hammer, VP Harris oversees the certification in Congress, loads of Repub Governors in red states are starting to see through the trump BS and misinformation about various things (like his lies about the handling of Hurricane aftermath) except of course DeSantis, but that figures.

With all of these things in place between Nov 5 and Jan 6… I can’t see where trump and his minions can do much except pitch a fit.

As you say: “Bring it on…!”
 
finesse said:
I hope we're willing to put up with enough pain to put a serious curb on Christian nationalism. It really is unAmerican.
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The church I formerly served on staff is co sponsoring a joint seminar with two other local Baptist churches led by Amanda Tyler from the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty about Christian Nationalism. Amanda Tyler discusses her new book ‘How to End Christian Nationalism’ in Winston-Salem, N.C.

I would encourage any other fellow Triad area posters to attend.
 
Turd Ferguson said:
It's ridiculous that the race is close at all. The racists and bigots really want to get back to the 1950s or sooner at any cost.
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It took me quite awhile to reconcile that a considerable percentage of our population could support a man like trump. Some part of me just couldn’t process it. One day I realized it was true. Since that day I’ve felt a bit differently about these United States of ours.
 
Centerpiece said:
Try 2008. That’s when all kinds of folks started going bat shit crazy. Tea Party 2010, Birtherism, etc.

Made Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh look like Laurel and Hardy.

No, the shits been hitting the fan long before 2016
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Agreed - I think much of it started in the 90s with the Clintons. Republicans then hated the Clintons at least as much as they hated the Obamas, and maybe more. Rush Limbaugh was at his height and spewing his crap daily - it was a kind of prototype of what we'd see soon after on Fox and other talk radio. And Gingrich in Congress was upsetting all the traditional norms, and the huge GOP sweep in the 94 congressional elections really set the stage for what was to come - it gave Republicans control of the House for the first time in 40 years, and it marked the beginnings of the collapse of the Democrats in rural areas that still bedevils the party today. And there was also a good amount of batshit-crazy conspiracy crap even then, but as the internet was still in its infancy it didn't spread as much as it does today.

Having said that, I do believe that 2016 did something profound to Democrats generally. Not just that Hillary lost - I know plenty of Democrats who were never all that enthusiastic about her - but the idea that so many of their fellow Americans could ever vote for someone as blatantly unqualified to be POTUS in nearly every respect as Donald Trump just shattered a lot of their faith and belief in our democracy and in the basic decency of the American people, and I don't think that faith has ever really recovered, not even with Biden's victory in 2020. 2016 may well be seen as a more profound turning point in our politics than we now realize.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Having said that, I do believe that 2016 did something profound to Democrats generally. Not just that Hillary lost - I know plenty of Democrats who were never all that enthusiastic about her - but the idea that so many of their fellow Americans could ever vote for someone as blatantly unqualified to be POTUS in nearly every respect as Donald Trump just shattered a lot of their faith and belief in our democracy and in the basic decency of the American people, and I don't think that faith has ever really recovered, not even with Biden's victory in 2020. 2016 may well be seen as a more profound turning point in our politics than we now realize.
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What grounds did a liberal in 2016 have for believing in American democracy or decency? We'd only approximated the former since the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which goes to show that we'd never really achieved the latter. Of course, we followed that up with--at the very least--the Vietnam War and the Iraq War.
 
theel4life said:
Not a weird statement. They won’t concede and I fear violence could erupt. Nervous
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You don’t truly think the violence from pissed off sore losers will only occur if Harris wins, do you? Half the country is pushing a narrative that a Trump win is apocalyptic even though he’s already been president for 4 years previously and we all survived. People will lose their ever loving minds if Trump wins.
 
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