2024 Pre-Election Political Polls | POLL - Trump would have had 7 point lead over Biden

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altmin said:
David Plouffe was on Pod Save America and I know he is not a neutral voice, but in a nutshell he says this is a margin of error race; believes the public polling is not worth listening to; says he would rather be "us than them;" and "our internal polling points to hidden support among anti-Trump Republicans. "
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He's not neutral at all

But he sure knows what he's doing and he tends to not bs things
 
DougDaBroadcasta said:
There's going to be violence either way, no matter who wins.
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Agreed.

If Trump loses, his supporters will engage in violence to punish their perceived enemies for thwarting the will of the people.

If Trump wins, his supporters will engage in violence to punish their perceived enemies for attempting to thwart the will of the people.
 
RockyMtnHoo said:
For me, Harris 270-268 is a terrible scenario…arguably worst case.

If Trump fairly gets 270+ it would be awful, but the will of the people will have spoken. If Harris gets 270 exactly it will go to the Courts, and I have no faith this SCOTUS will do the right thing…especially if one state can swing the results.

I say worst case because Harris will have fairly won, but it literally could be stolen. That’s when you could/would potentially see violence from the Left.
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Harris winning is better than trump winning under any circumstance.

The Pubs stealing it after losing is still more unlikely than likely.
 
Bigs23 said:
Harris winning is better than trump winning under any circumstance.

The Pubs stealing it after losing is still more unlikely than likely.
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It becomes less likely the larger the EC margin. We’re already at a point where the Dem nominee needs to win the popular vote by at least 4%. Throw in a SCOTUS that is 6-3 with half of those 6 appointed by Trump, and 2 that weren’t being arguably the worst/most biased Justices ever, and I won’t assume a win is safe if a single state can swing things.
 
I'm starting to get the sinking feeling that the 2024 electoral map is going to look at lot like the 2016 electoral outcome ...
 
StrangePackage said:
Agreed.

If Trump loses, his supporters will engage in violence to punish their perceived enemies for thwarting the will of the people.

If Trump wins, his supporters will engage in violence to punish their perceived enemies for attempting to thwart the will of the people.
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Liberal minded folks need to seriously consider gun ownership, if they don't have guns already.

Mind you, this is if you believe in protecting yourself against violence with violence (or the threat thereof) vs peaceful resistance. If we're talking a ttump presidency, firearm ownership is unlikely to matter as ttump will militarize many cities (whether further militarization of cops or actual military), and any resistance you offer will be futile. However, if ttump loses he WILL overtly promote vigilant/militia/supremacy terrorism against the liberal "vermin" who "stole your country from you". There will be hundreds, if not thousands, of incidents where known, or perceived, liberals will have violence perpetrated upon them and their homes.
 
nycfan said:
I'm starting to get the sinking feeling that the 2024 electoral map is going to look at lot like the 2016 electoral outcome ...
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I do too but i’m hoping it’s a combination of 3 things
1. failure of the mainstream media
2. Trump sucking all the oxygen out of the room with increasingly fascistic language and
3. my own fear of this fucker winning
 
For anyone who spends an inordinate amount of time on Twitter, it’s really easy to catch that sinking feeling of fatalism. I have caught myself doing and feeling the exact same way. But once I get off of Twitter, and I read much more levelheaded, rational commentary from political commentators whose opinions I value and whose sources I trust, I feel a ton better. It is completely understandable to feel unease, anxiety, trepidation, etc. about an election with such high stakes. But I would definitely urge folks who are feeling those things to at least unplug from Twitter for a little while and see how much of a significant difference it actually does make.

Trump can definitely win this thing. There’s no question about that. It’s going to be uncomfortably close. These next few weeks are not going to be enjoyable. But Trump is not going to win- and his campaign knows it, too. They are not acting like a campaign that believes they are winning. The flood of red wave pollsters are not acting like they believe that the Trump campaign is winning.

Virtually every single fundamental and intangible favors the Harris campaign. Almost every single one. If this were a sports matchup, and there was one team that had almost every single fundamental and intangible in its favor, and the other team was becoming more and more unhinged and untethered by the passing day, we would all have no problem whatsoever acknowledging and believing that the team with all of the intangibles and fundamentals in its favor, was a solid favor to win. Not a guarantee, mind you, because sometimes the ball bounces funny, but a solid favorite to win.

Harris is that favorite. Now let’s go run through the damn tape.
 
theel4life said:
If we show up we will win.
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^This. A lot of what we're seeing on social media and in (conservative) polling is an attempt to get Democrats depressed and feeling hopeless so they simply will give up and not vote. If Democrats remain enthusiastic and vote as they should then I do think they'll win, and possibly by more than in 2020. If they don't vote in large numbers then yes, Trump will win. Trump is an idiot, but Republicans have shown that they know how to win elections in a variety of ways, and trying to depress Democratic turnout by any means possible is likely a priority for them this year.
 
Paine said:
It’s like ripping a bandaid off. I’ve been so much happier since deleting Twitter and Instagram. I finally deleted my FB this year too. Rarely used it, they just make it a process to delete. Deleted my Reddit a few months ago.

Basically get my social media fix from here, IC, and YouTube. Still use my phone way too much lol
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I still use Reddit. The bevy of reviews/opinions on headphones, running shoes, and vehicles (amongst others) has been a genuine boon to my product discrimination. I stay the hell off political stuff. Sometimes I wade into a gaming forum when I get stuck in a FromSoftware game, but I stick with 1st order comments.
 
About 4 years ago I cut back on Facebook posting and that was highly beneficial. It's still helpful as a way to connect with friends but removing it from my home screen helped

I never post on Instagram so that's not an issue.

Twitter is toxic. I haven't deleted it but I don't post

LinkedIn is a necessary evil. But my God of the apps that give me heartburn it's the worst

I have never done ticket ticks or snap chat.

I feel in a way social media is going through some things as people are becoming very aware of the toxicity
 
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