2024 Pre-Election Political Polls | POLL - Trump would have had 7 point lead over Biden

[heelinhell]

The most direct reasons I voted for Trump, all of which I have shared previously, are:

1) The average person's dollar stretched further than ever before during Trump's first presidency. Now everything from groceries to gas is totally out of control and creating financial strain on the middle class. I personally have been able to save and invest in accordance with my goals under all 3 of Obama/Trump/Biden, because I am young and well-educated and have worked my tail off in my career, so my personal situation has only gotten better under each successive administration since I graduated. But some of my less-fortunate family members are struggling the last 4 years after thriving under Trump.

2) Trump will work to reduce illegal immigration. I had a close childhood friend who died in 2023 of fentanyl overdose so this danger became personal to me in the last couple years.

3) No new wars during Trump's first term. And then after the Afghanistan withdrawal debacle from the Biden administration, it emboldened Putin to move on Ukraine, Hamas to slaughter innocent Jews and the ensuing slaughter of innocent Palestinians in Gaza since, and of course China flirting with Taiwan....

4) Democrats nationwide lost their ever-loving minds during COVID and it opened my mind to which side stands for personal freedom vs which side stands for authoritarian policies and the government being the answer to everything to save us from ourselves (hint: the authoritarian side is the side that likes to accuse the other side of being authoritarian)

5) Drain the swamp.. "The system" in Washington DC and their friends in the news media can't stand Donald Trump. The administrative state in this country is absurd and we need political outsiders in there to clean up as much of the mess as possible. Half the country was led to believe that everything with Joe Biden's health was fine for the last 4 years, and they bought it hook/line/sinker until it was exposed for the world to see on national TV during the debate. If Harris and others will downright lie to you about the mental state of the POTUS, what else are they lying about?

1 ) Thank you for confirming my suspicion that your financial situation is better now than under Trump

2 ) Biden's border policies have been superior to Trump's policies...https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65574725

3 ) Trump ended no American foreign wars. Biden did.

4 ) Trump's botched management of the pandemic resulted in thousands upon thousands of avoidable American deaths.

5 ) " The system" saved us from Trump's incompetence, fascist impulses, and his attempt to overthrow our democracy

 

[CFordUNC]

Fucking A, man. Spike the football wherever you damn please if you're right. If you want to come to my house and spike a football in my literal face, we could arrange that (though it's a lot of travel for little reward). I just want to win.

Nah, we are all on the same team. The folks who are panicking and worrying and feeling stressed and anxious, they’re all my team even if I don’t share those particular views. MAGA is no longer my team, and if and when we win, forgive the crudeness and crassness and awfully vivid imagery, but I’m going to enjoy dragging my Democratic ass across their faces, because we have far, far more differences than mere ideological or policy preferences.

 

[superrific]

Super all due respect but your attempting to understand the MAGA movement is like Ozymandias or Reed Richards trying to understand the ants in Antman. The only “coordination” with most of these voters is social media. I have interacted and discussed with a very representative group and that is literally all that has been done to get them out (and a healthy dose of Fox, One, Sean Ryan, etc.).

Hey, I know what I don't know. And yes, understanding the MAGA movement is not in my wheelhouse. If social media is all they have, well that's good I guess. I would put social media in the category of "ground game" but the Dems have plenty of that too so it doesn't necessarily move the needle in terms of superiority of operation -- but it does potentially mean that there are fewer voters on whom the superior Dem GOTV can work.

BTW, Ozymandias? King of Kings, whose decrepit statue lies broken and crumbled in the desert sand?

 

[superrific]

Nah, we are all on the same team. The folks who are panicking and worrying and feeling stressed and anxious, they’re all my team even if I don’t share those particular views. MAGA is no longer my team, and if and when we win, forgive the crudeness and crassness and awfully vivid imagery, but I’m going to enjoy dragging my Democratic ass across their faces, because we have far, far more differences than mere ideological or policy preferences.

I know. I was just saying that we wouldn't mind if you did a Lebron or MJ thing and showed off even for your teammates. I don't think any of us will care in the slightest if you were to start a thread every day titled "I told y'all motherfuckers!"

 

[Mulberry Heel]

Honestly, after wading through all that, it seems like he's using a lot of words and data to basically say that neither he nor anyone really knows who is going to win the election at this point. For every point that Republicans may be doing better in early voting than 2020, there's a counterpoint that may favor Democrats.

 

[Croatoan]

This is like reading the script for one of those 80’s movies where the cheerleader falls for the nerd because of some weird, shared bond. Highly entertaining; I’m pulling for you two.

 

[Mundial]

Hey, I know what I don't know. And yes, understanding the MAGA movement is not in my wheelhouse. If social media is all they have, well that's good I guess. I would put social media in the category of "ground game" but the Dems have plenty of that too so it doesn't necessarily move the needle in terms of superiority of operation -- but it does potentially mean that there are fewer voters on whom the superior Dem GOTV can work.

BTW, Ozymandias? King of Kings, whose decrepit statue lies broken and crumbled in the desert sand?

​

Adrian Veidt from the Watchmen.

 

[superrific]

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Adrian Veidt from the Watchmen.

Oh. I don't watch those movies. I guess it's better than being the erstwhile King of Kings LOL.

 

[Mundial]

Oh. I don't watch those movies. I guess it's better than being the erstwhile King of Kings LOL.

The HBO miniseries was fascinating.

 

[hedge]

The average person's dollar stretched further than ever before during Trump's first presidency. Now everything from groceries to gas is totally out of control

I paid $2.49 for gas last week. It's been under $3 for a long time around here...

 

[Rock]

I never watched the miniseries but the movie is one of my all-time underrated gem picks.

 

[CFordUNC]

This is like reading the script for one of those 80’s movies where the cheerleader falls for the nerd because of some weird, shared bond. Highly entertaining; I’m pulling for you two.

I don’t recall giving you permission to come up for air! You are such a weird, creepy, stalkerish little dude. You’ve had your tongue up my asshole for so long on this board you should be able to tell everyone else what I had for dinner last night.

 

[superrific]

Honestly, after wading through all that, it seems like he's using a lot of words and data to basically say that neither he nor anyone really knows who is going to win the election at this point. For every point that Republicans may be doing better in early voting than 2020, there's a counterpoint that may favor Democrats.

What else is he going to do for the next few days? Also I bet you can think of this as sort of part of his compensation. The vast majority of the time, he sits around, works on models and other stuff, and nobody gives a fuck about what he has to say. And then every two Octobers, he gets a little bit famous. I have no problem with him milking it a bit.

 

[hedge]

I never watched the miniseries but the movie is one of my all-time underrated gem picks.

The original 12 issue comic series is even better..

 

[HintonJamesHeel]

The Democrats have done such a bad job explaining the issues this cycle. Gosh, I hate voting for them and wish we would see more progressive candidates.

Harris should have said the following.

1 - inflation was higher when Joe took office because we were coming off a global pandemic. It was a 100 year event. We spent unheard of money (trillions) to ensure we got through it. When you spend at that levels and keep rates low, you are going to see inflation. After we got through it, we saw levels adjust to historic norms. The fact that Harris never could articulate that simple fact is beyond me. In fact, she just pretended it like was all fine. Just tell people it sucked but was necessary and now it’s fixed. That’s all true btw.

2 - Just own that the border policies were bad and they got fixed. Biden should have done her a solid and said he believed the border policies were good and that Harris guided him to correct them and now they are very good. That last part would have been BS but just say my bad and again, as part of good governing we recognize mistakes and adjust and we did that.

3 - don’t talk about rich folks paying their fair share. Don’t talk about how rich corporations will pay more. Only talk about how you will cut taxes for people making less than (choose a number). To the average American, they want to be rich. They might be employed by a corporation. They don’t get that talk. But they will get - i make less than (choose a number) so I guess that will impact me.

4 - quit talking about what a threat Trump is. We all know it. The guys insane. He’s dangerous. He’s also the least popular politician in our history. The public views him as a loon but doesn’t think he’s a huge threat. That lived through four years and some still remember the stupid TV show he was on. When your whole message is the crazy guy will turn us into Germany, folks don’t buy it. Just focus on change. He’s old. He’s had his shot. We are better than him. He was only able to barely beat the least popular woman in America. He lost to a guy who ran for president 100x. Just focus on turning the page.

It’s baked now and I pray Harris wins but if she loses, the party needs to go back and look at messaging. MSNBC, Twitter, etc is not every day America. Most folks couldn’t explain what happened on 1/6. They don’t care.

 

[heelinhell]

I paid $2.49 for gas last week. It's been under $3 for a long time around here...

Gas prices peaked at $4.11/gallon in July 2008... I don't remember anyone pissing and moaning about gas prices back then.

 

[CFordUNC]

The Democrats have done such a bad job explaining the issues this cycle. Gosh, I hate voting for them and wish we would see more progressive candidates.

Harris should have said the following.

1 - inflation was higher when Joe took office because we were coming off a global pandemic. It was a 100 year event. We spent unheard of money (trillions) to ensure we got through it. When you spend at that levels and keep rates low, you are going to see inflation. After we got through it, we saw levels adjust to historic norms. The fact that Harris never could articulate that simple fact is beyond me. In fact, she just pretended it like was all fine. Just tell people it sucked but was necessary and now it’s fixed. That’s all true btw.

2 - Just own that the border policies were bad and they got fixed. Biden should have done her a solid and said he believed the border policies were good and that Harris guided him to correct them and now they are very good. That last part would have been BS but just say my bad and again, as part of good governing we recognize mistakes and adjust and we did that.

3 - don’t talk about rich folks paying their fair share. Don’t talk about how rich corporations will pay more. Only talk about how you will cut taxes for people making less than (choose a number). To the average American, they want to be rich. They might be employed by a corporation. They don’t get that talk. But they will get - i make less than (choose a number) so I guess that will impact me.

4 - quit talking about what a threat Trump is. We all know it. The guys insane. He’s dangerous. He’s also the least popular politician in our history. The public views him as a loon but doesn’t think he’s a huge threat. That lived through four years and some still remember the stupid TV show he was on. When your whole message is the crazy guy will turn us into Germany, folks don’t buy it. Just focus on change. He’s old. He’s had his shot. We are better than him. He was only able to barely beat the least popular woman in America. He lost to a guy who ran for president 100x. Just focus on turning the page.

It’s baked now and I pray Harris wins but if she loses, the party needs to go back and look at messaging. MSNBC, Twitter, etc is not every day America. Most folks couldn’t explain what happened on 1/6. They don’t care.

Are you done yet?

 

[heelinhell]

The Democrats have done such a bad job explaining the issues this cycle. Gosh, I hate voting for them and wish we would see more progressive candidates.

Harris should have said the following.

1 - inflation was higher when Joe took office because we were coming off a global pandemic. It was a 100 year event. We spent unheard of money (trillions) to ensure we got through it. When you spend at that levels and keep rates low, you are going to see inflation. After we got through it, we saw levels adjust to historic norms. The fact that Harris never could articulate that simple fact is beyond me. In fact, she just pretended it like was all fine. Just tell people it sucked but was necessary and now it’s fixed. That’s all true btw.

2 - Just own that the border policies were bad and they got fixed. Biden should have done her a solid and said he believed the border policies were good and that Harris guided him to correct them and now they are very good. That last part would have been BS but just say my bad and again, as part of good governing we recognize mistakes and adjust and we did that.

3 - don’t talk about rich folks paying their fair share. Don’t talk about how rich corporations will pay more. Only talk about how you will cut taxes for people making less than (choose a number). To the average American, they want to be rich. They might be employed by a corporation. They don’t get that talk. But they will get - i make less than (choose a number) so I guess that will impact me.

4 - quit talking about what a threat Trump is. We all know it. The guys insane. He’s dangerous. He’s also the least popular politician in our history. The public views him as a loon but doesn’t think he’s a huge threat. That lived through four years and some still remember the stupid TV show he was on. When your whole message is the crazy guy will turn us into Germany, folks don’t buy it. Just focus on change. He’s old. He’s had his shot. We are better than him. He was only able to barely beat the least popular woman in America. He lost to a guy who ran for president 100x. Just focus on turning the page.

It’s baked now and I pray Harris wins but if she loses, the party needs to go back and look at messaging. MSNBC, Twitter, etc is not every day America. Most folks couldn’t explain what happened on 1/6. They don’t care.

Democrats are great at governing but suck at messaging
GQPers are great at messaging but suck at governing

 

[Icky Mettle]

Gas prices peaked at $4.11/gallon in July 2008... I don't remember anyone pissing and moaning about gas prices back then.

Really? I definitely do.

But, yeah, basing who you’re voting on for president based on recent gas prices is idiotic.

 

[lightbluenc]

The Democrats have done such a bad job explaining the issues this cycle. Gosh, I hate voting for them and wish we would see more progressive candidates.

Harris should have said the following.

1 - inflation was higher when Joe took office because we were coming off a global pandemic. It was a 100 year event. We spent unheard of money (trillions) to ensure we got through it. When you spend at that levels and keep rates low, you are going to see inflation. After we got through it, we saw levels adjust to historic norms. The fact that Harris never could articulate that simple fact is beyond me. In fact, she just pretended it like was all fine. Just tell people it sucked but was necessary and now it’s fixed. That’s all true btw.

2 - Just own that the border policies were bad and they got fixed. Biden should have done her a solid and said he believed the border policies were good and that Harris guided him to correct them and now they are very good. That last part would have been BS but just say my bad and again, as part of good governing we recognize mistakes and adjust and we did that.

3 - don’t talk about rich folks paying their fair share. Don’t talk about how rich corporations will pay more. Only talk about how you will cut taxes for people making less than (choose a number). To the average American, they want to be rich. They might be employed by a corporation. They don’t get that talk. But they will get - i make less than (choose a number) so I guess that will impact me.

4 - quit talking about what a threat Trump is. We all know it. The guys insane. He’s dangerous. He’s also the least popular politician in our history. The public views him as a loon but doesn’t think he’s a huge threat. That lived through four years and some still remember the stupid TV show he was on. When your whole message is the crazy guy will turn us into Germany, folks don’t buy it. Just focus on change. He’s old. He’s had his shot. We are better than him. He was only able to barely beat the least popular woman in America. He lost to a guy who ran for president 100x. Just focus on turning the page.

It’s baked now and I pray Harris wins but if she loses, the party needs to go back and look at messaging. MSNBC, Twitter, etc is not every day America. Most folks couldn’t explain what happened on 1/6. They don’t care.

But 47% of America isn't going to hear these arguments anyways. 35% are MAGA, and the other 12-15% don't give a shit and will vote for however they're feeling that day.

I don't think any messaging matters anymore. There's too much noise, too much misinformation to convince anyone anymore. Hell Elon Musk is literally paying people millions of dollars to convince them and it still might not work.