2024 Pre-Election Political Polls | POLL - Trump would have had 7 point lead over Biden

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Completely agree. I do not trust polls... and the fact that its so close in Wisconsin is concerning. He flips just one of those states and we're in trouble.
 
Are there any Maga wearing tie dyed dead t shirts to trump rallies? No. There may be some FORMER deadheads attending in the red Maga hats, but they ain’t wearing tie dye, and smoking a doobie on the way to the show.
 
hedge said:
I'm certainly a novice poker player at best but I didn't think Bond played badly on that (admittedly and as you correctly pointed out) highly improbable hand..
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Well, somebody played poorly. We didn't see the whole hand, but there's no way that Bond should have been able to survive a flop with four other players each having such strong hands. This is a huge digression, of course.
 
hedge said:
Definitely know some conservative Deadheads, but they're all old school repubs. Doctors and lawyers and such. I've never believed the Ann Coulter/Tucker Carlson types who claimed to be Deadheads, always figured they were just trolling in order to irk folks and stir up comments and clicks. I'm sure there are bound to be some MAGA Deadheads out there but I've not met them. Randman used to be a Deadhead but as soon as he flipped he immediately started proselytizing against the Dead, whose whole scene and ethos he rightly understood to be in stark opposition to he new worldview...
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There are MAGA folks mad because they feel like Rage Against The Machine "turned" against them.

If there can be RATM + MAGA folks, there can certainly be MAGA Deadheads.
 
superrific said:
Well, somebody played poorly. We didn't see the whole hand, but there's no way that Bond should have been able to survive a flop with four other players each having such strong hands. This is a huge digression, of course.
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He had the nuts on the turn, everybody else needed the ace on the river to make the hands (all of them inferior to Bond's) that they ended up with...
 
336Heel said:
Everyone thought Hillary was kicking his ass too only to wake up on that Wednesday and realize Trump actually won. I'm fearful history is gonna repeat itself.
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Hillary’s campaign and the DNC took their foot off the gas at the wrong time in 2016. They mistakenly believed she didn’t need to do more to win. Hillary slowed her campaign stops and budget was shifted away and toward Senate/House races instead… she got thoroughly out-worked by trump down the stretch.

Where Hillary coasted toward the finish line, Kamala is sprinting through the tape. In the meantime, trump has been the one without that same relentless energy to campaign this time around.

I understand the scars it left, but this cycle is very different from 2016.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
Out of curiosity, why would no one outside of MAGA consider it legitimate if the House decided a 269-269 election?
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I don’t think it’s “illegitimate” per se, as that’s what the constitution calls for. However, I find it weird/stupid that the vote is by state delegation rather than how every other vote the House does is taken (one vote per rep).
 
duluoz said:
Hillary’s campaign and the DNC took their foot off the gas at the wrong time in 2016. They mistakenly believed she didn’t need to do more to win. Hillary slowed her campaign stops and budget was shifted away and toward Senate/House races instead… she got thoroughly out-worked by trump down the stretch.

Where Hillary coasted toward the finish line, Kamala is sprinting through the tape. In the meantime, trump has been the one without that same relentless energy to campaign this time around.

I understand the scars it left, but this cycle is very different from 2016.
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Hope you're right.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
Out of curiosity, why would no one outside of MAGA consider it legitimate if the House decided a 269-269 election?
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1. As Snoop said, it's because NE Pubs would have rigged the game just to get Trump to that point.
2. Because it's an incredibly stupid way to choose a president. The EC is bad enough. But this idiotic plan gives each state equal voice, which is ludicrous and ridiculous.
3. Just because they thought it was a good idea to do it that way in 1800 doesn't mean it's remotely a good idea. And because our constitution is comically difficult to amend, especially today, we're stuck with a judgment from two centuries ago that didn't make any sense even then and definitely doesn't make any sense now.
Indeed, I don't know the 12th Amendment history, but my guess is that small states used the ludicrous amendment process to extract this concession.
 
UNCBAdookJD said:
I don’t think it’s “illegitimate” per se, as that’s what the constitution calls for. However, I find it weird/stupid that the vote is by state delegation rather than how every other vote the House does is taken (one vote per rep).
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There are lots of meanings of the word "legitimate." Following the law is only one of them. I mean, in theory, Nebraska could just have the legislators appoint all the electors without regard to the popular vote. So too could NC. That would be lawful but would clearly deprive the country of any political or democratic legitimacy and in that circumstance, we'd be looking at a choice between revolution or oppression.
 
aGDevil2k said:
Another difference.... We lived thru 2016

So now there is no over confidence. There's some fear but people won't rest.
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I have faith that women voters will save us.

Tocqueville: "If one asked me to what do I think one must principally attribute the singular prosperity and growing force of this people, I would answer that it is to the superiority of its women."
 
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