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2024 Pre-Election Political Polls | POLL - Trump would have had 7 point lead over Biden

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Had lunch today with a 30-year U.S. Army veteran, retired Colonel, and someone who served as a commander in Iraq in the mid-2000’s. This guy is a classically Republican, classically conservative gentleman originally from rural Indiana. He has worked closely with HR McMaster, Mark Milley, Rex Tillerson, John Kelly, David Patraeus, and William McRaven in his career. He said that he has never cast a vote for a Democratic presidential or gubernatorial candidate in his life, and didn’t plan on ever doing so, but has absolutely zero hesitation in voting for Kamala Harris, because despite policy disagreements on quite literally almost everything, he says that Kamala Harris is commander in chief material and Donald Trump is not.

“Lesser of two evils” voters are either liars or morons. There is no alternative, and I don’t care what anyone says. There is no “lesser of two evils” when one of the two “evils” openly roots against America and our allies, openly sides with our foreign enemies, calls our troops and Purple Heart winners and Gold Star recipients and POW’s “suckers and losers”, has gotten American intelligence assets killed and captured, and treats our most sensitive national secrets with reckless criminal disregard. If you cast a vote for *that* and justify it as voting for the “lesser of two evils”, you’re either a lying sack of shit or a sucker, but you aren’t reasonable or rational. Don’t care how that makes anyone else feel. Nobody voting for Trump in 2024 is voting for the lesser of two evils; they’re voting for someone they either like, agree with his policies, or both. End of story.
 
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nycfan said:

"... A new CNN poll showed that a majority of the Republican Party now agrees that “an increasing number of people of many different races, ethnic groups, and nationalities in the U.S.” is mostly threatening (55 percent) rather than enriching (45 percent) to American culture.

This represents a sharp rise from 2019, when just 21 percent of Republicans said that this increasing racial and ethnic diversity was threatening. Back then, Republicans said by a 48-point margin that it was actually more enriching than threatening.

It’s also up significantly even from just last year. A CNN poll in March 2023 found 41 percent of Republicans viewed this increasing diversity as threatening...."
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Whew boy, that's a lot of economic anxiety.
 
aGDevil2k said:
It's gross and sad. I thought better of us
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I'm Gen X and I still vividly remember as a teen sitting in my Baptist church on Sunday mornings and listening to the old men in the back where I sat - most were members of the greatest generation and some had fought in WW2 - complain about my generation. They were a hilarious bunch of characters and I enjoyed talking with them, but their complaints about my generation were the same as you'd hear today - we wasted too much time playing video games, didn't respect our elders, didn't want to work hard, and so on.

I swore to myself that when I got to be older I'd never make those "grumpy old men" complaints about younger people. And now that I'm in my 50s it is disappointing to see so many members of my generation turn into chronic complainers about younger people. And it's the same BS - literally everything was better when we were younger, people were nicer, kids respected their elders (lol), kids today don't want to work hard and just play on their cellphones all the time, yada yada. And I suspect the truth is that what all these people are really complaining about is that they are no longer young and now have health issues in many cases, and they don't have most of their lives still ahead of them. Just a surprising amount of bitterness among some people I grew up with and went to high school with.
 
The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

- Socrates (469–399 B.C.)

It's been going on as long as there have been generations.
 
Speaking of polls, are any of you volunteering to work the polling stations? Poll watcher or working for your board of elections?
My wife just volunteered to be a Dem poll watcher in our county.
 
CFordUNC said:
Had lunch today with a 30-year U.S. Army veteran, retired Colonel, and someone who served as a commander in Iraq in the mid-2000’s. This guy is a classically Republican, classically conservative gentleman originally from rural Indiana. He has worked closely with HR McMaster, Mark Milley, Rex Tillerson, John Kelly, David Patraeus, and William McRaven in his career. He said that he has never cast a vote for a Democratic presidential or gubernatorial candidate in his life, and didn’t plan on ever doing so, but has absolutely zero hesitation in voting for Kamala Harris, because despite policy disagreements on quite literally almost everything, he says that Kamala Harris is commander in chief material and Donald Trump is not.

“Lesser of two evils” voters are either liars or morons. There is no alternative, and I don’t care what anyone says. There is no “lesser of two evils” when one of the two “evils” openly roots against America and our allies, openly sides with our foreign enemies, calls our troops and Purple Heart winners and Gold Star recipients and POW’s “suckers and losers”, has gotten American intelligence assets killed and captured, and treats our most sensitive national secrets with reckless criminal disregard. If you cast a vote for *that* and justify it as voting for the “lesser of two evils”, you’re either a lying sack of shit or a sucker, but you aren’t reasonable or rational. Don’t care how that makes anyone else feel. Nobody voting for Trump in 2024 is voting for the lesser of two evils; they’re voting for someone they either like, agree with his policies, or both. End of story.
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It's instances like this that give me hope.
On the one hand, you may have people who voted for Biden in 2020 that will now vote for Trump in 2024. I fail to see how that will be a big number.
On the other hand, you have people who voted for Trump in 2020 that will now vote for Harris in 2024. I consider this a much bigger number than the above scenario.
Throw in first time voters, who I am assuming will break primarily in Harris' direction, and I'm not seeing how Trump can increase his results from 2020. Obviously, this comes down to the swing states, but still having a hard time believing that Trump can carry the election with these numbers.
 
TarHeelGrad said:
It's instances like this that give me hope.
On the one hand, you may have people who voted for Biden in 2020 that will now vote for Trump in 2024. I fail to see how that will be a big number.
On the other hand, you have people who voted for Trump in 2020 that will now vote for Harris in 2024. I consider this a much bigger number than the above scenario.
Throw in first time voters, who I am assuming will break primarily in Harris' direction, and I'm not seeing how Trump can increase his results from 2020. Obviously, this comes down to the swing states, but still having a hard time believing that Trump can carry the election with these numbers.
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CNN’s new poll showed that 18-29 year-old men are +10 Trump but 18-29 yo women are +38 Harris.

So if that is anywhere near accurate, there is a 48-point gender gap among the youngs(!) — but it also means a youth vote would not break as hard to Harris as in past elections. Hopefully young women are waaaaaay more motivated to vote than their Bro counterparts.
 
nycfan said:
Hopefully young women are waaaaaay more motivated to vote than their Bro counterparts.
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They are. Especially where reproductive rights are directly on the ballot (when turnout has been remarkable, even for special elections). But even where it isn’t explicitly on the ballot, women turn out better than men in general.

I don’t see how the trump campaign rubbing elbows with misogynist influencers is going to change that dynamic enough to counter those factors.
 
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