2024 Pre-Election Political Polls | POLL - Trump would have had 7 point lead over Biden

[BlueSmoke]

It only takes one screw up in the blue wall states to throw this election. Noted on Morning Joe, there was some concern about the transgender ad Trump is using full force in those states and almost no push back from Harris Campaign. Shades of Swift boating?

But, in this case you have to wonder why not much push back? Could it be a reluctance to butt heads with a Dem special interest group that the push back would cause?

 

[CFordUNC]

 

[finesse]

It only takes one screw up in the blue wall states to throw this election. Noted on Morning Joe, there was some concern about the transgender ad Trump is using full force in those states and almost no push back from Harris Campaign. Shades of Swift boating?

But, in this case you have to wonder why not much push back? Could it be a reluctance to butt heads with a Dem special interest group that the push back would cause?

Maybe because we never were likely to get the votes of people bothered by that. Maybe because pushing back gets it more attention. Maybe because people who are offended are too stupid and too big of a jerk to want on our side, despite needing the votes. Maybe not wanting to roll around in the pig manure with the swine who love it. Maybe all of these.

 

[Geisterfahrer]

Maybe because we never were likely to get the votes of people bothered by that. Maybe because pushing back gets it more attention. Maybe because people who are offended are too stupid and too big of a jerk to want on our side, despite needing the votes. Maybe not wanting to roll around in the pig manure with the swine who love it. Maybe all of these.

Yeah all of these, plus it’s almost impossible to finesse this issue. It’s incredibly complicated.

 

[BlueSmoke]

Maybe because we never were likely to get the votes of people bothered by that. Maybe because pushing back gets it more attention. Maybe because people who are offended are too stupid and too big of a jerk to want on our side, despite needing the votes. Maybe not wanting to roll around in the pig manure with the swine who love it. Maybe all of these.

President Kerry's thought process was somewhat similar. And actually, to respond is an interesting gambit because this is actually a Trump policy that Trump is complaining about. Have a feeling there are some very clever ways to respond to this one.

 

[aGDevil2k]

Mission - violence and overturning

 

[farce©]

It only takes one screw up in the blue wall states to throw this election. Noted on Morning Joe, there was some concern about the transgender ad Trump is using full force in those states and almost no push back from Harris Campaign. Shades of Swift boating?

But, in this case you have to wonder why not much push back? Could it be a reluctance to butt heads with a Dem special interest group that the push back would cause?

“Special interest group?”

 

[finesse]

President Kerry's thought process was somewhat similar. And actually, to respond is an interesting gambit because this is actually a Trump policy that Trump is complaining about. Have a feeling there are some very clever ways to respond to this one.

There are plenty of chimeras that could be chased. This seems off message and too defensive.

I knew that it had its origins with Trump and it would be clever. The cleverness would be wasted and the story disbelieved so why bother?

 

[BlueSmoke]

“Special interest group?”

It was a question. Or is there some other explanation? Just too complicated to get into has been offered. Is that it?

 

[aGDevil2k]

It was a question. Or is there some other explanation? Just too complicated to get into has been offered. Is that it?

It's a pretty stupid ass ad, honestly. You can tell the way they have pieced together the clips. I just doubt it's been very effective

 

[BlueSmoke]

There are plenty of chimeras that could be chased. This seems off message and too defensive.

I knew that it had its origins with Trump and it would be clever. The cleverness would be wasted and the story disbelieved so why bother?

Perhaps. But not responding appropriately to such things have always proven to be a killer.

 

[BlueSmoke]

It's a pretty stupid ass ad, honestly. You can tell the way they have pieced together the clips. I just doubt it's been very effective

Willie Horton ad was stupid ass too. Dems big poll lead disappeared quick. No Dem response.

 

[finesse]

Perhaps. But not responding appropriately to such things have always proven to be a killer.

You might want to reexamine your thoughts about this if you equate it with Swiftboating. This should, for someone who respects other people, be some serious small change.

 

[nycfan]

Gender gap of +3 in NC is bad for Harris as that is smaller than the gender gap in NC in the 2020 election. And -3 in Nevada is devastating for her chances there. Georgia at +9 is slightly below 2020 … but those numbers are very healthy in the Blue Wall.

 

[farce©]

If the Harris campaign attempted to respond to all the lies in the ads opposing her it would consume their campaign, take them completely off-message and hand control of their narrative to Trump.

“If you’re explaining, you’re losing.”

 

[Enigma94]

Perhaps. But not responding appropriately to such things have always proven to be a killer.

It doesn't seem to be getting much traction. I mean the swift boat stuff was everywhere. I haven't heard anyone talking about this.

 

[uncgriff]

Gender gap of +3 in NC is bad for Harris as that is smaller than the gender gap in NC in the 2020 election. And -3 in Nevada is devastating for her chances there …

It says +9 for NC

 

[farce©]

Gender gap of +3 in NC is bad for Harris as that is smaller than the gender gap in NC in the 2020 election. And -3 in Nevada is devastating for her chances there …

The tweet you posted says +9 in NC.

 

[BlueSmoke]

You might want to reexamine your thoughts about this if you equate it with Swiftboating. This should, for someone who respects other people, be some serious small change.

Don't disagree. My point is lack of response. It could simply be pointed out that this was Trump's policy. Ask has he flipped flopped? Put him on defensive or something. There are ways to do it. People get paid to figure out how. These things matter big time in the closing weeks. No response is always noted and bad.

 

[nycfan]

From the NYT story on their results:

“… Ms. Harris’s position, if anything, may have declined among likely voters since the last Times/Siena College poll, taken in early October. At the time, she had a slight lead over Mr. Trump, 49 percent to 46 percent. The change is within the margin of error, but The Times’s national polling average has registered a tightening in polls over the past few weeks as well, suggesting at the very least that this contest has drawn even closer. …”

Harris and Trump Deadlocked to the End, Final Times/Siena National Poll Finds

The electorate has rarely seemed so evenly divided. The latest New York Times/Siena College poll found Harris and Trump tied 48 to 48.

www.nytimes.com