2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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You can blame all you won’t but the goal of a campaign is to win, not to blame people after you lose.
of course.

not blaming anyone for something that hasn't happened yet just pointing to 2016 and wondering how the hell some of these people didn't learn this lesson then.

perhaps some of them are young enough that 2016 doesn't resonate.
 
of course.

not blaming anyone for something that hasn't happened yet just pointing to 2016 and wondering how the hell some of these people didn't learn this lesson then.

perhaps some of them are young enough that 2016 doesn't resonate.
The point is that you have to deal with the electorate as it is, not as it should be. Those voters may be dumb, but you still have to convince them to vote for you. Campaigns are all about threading common themes through disparate voters.
 
The point is that you have to deal with the electorate as it is, not as it should be. Those voters may be dumb, but you still have to convince them to vote for you. Campaigns are all about threading common themes through disparate voters.
None of that changes the fact that if they withhold their votes and Trump wins and he makes their lives measurably worse then they are in fact dumb and deserving of derision.
 
so how does she convince the left wing idealists (the ones who apparently don't possess even a smidgeon of pragmatism) while also not upsetting the bucket with the moderates, never trump republicans and independents who are leaning her way?

the first group are the ones who frankly shouldn't need as much convincing.
 
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You can blame all you won’t but the goal of a campaign is to win, not to blame people after you lose.
True, but sometimes the support of one group costs you the support of a larger one. Or at least the concessions you have to make to the pariah group hurt you in the long run. This is why primaries hurt candidates. Indeed, we're seeing some of that with Kamala now.

And ideally, the pariah group recognizes this. It votes for blue no matter who (or, in the case of Pubs, vote red even if they want you dead), and then tries to work behind the scenes to get what it wants.

The pariah groups who think they are the majority -- like extreme MAGA or defund the police types -- are never going to get more than derision and/or marginalization. Which in some cases is what they want. But probably not in the case of those who are upset about Gaza.
 
Is this the new shiny object that the media will chase for the next week or two ?

<fingers crossed>

 
He can't imagine people hate him like we do
To be fair it's not just him, it's his cult followers too. I still see plenty of "2020 Was Stolen" or similarly worded Trump flags and signs around, some people have had them hanging for nearly four years. They simply refuse to believe that they are only a minority percentage of the electorate. They are convinced that they make up the "silent majority" of "Real Americans" and therefore a Trump defeat simply cannot happen unless the wicked Democrats steal the election, as surely happened in 2020 even though they couldn't prove it and there's not a shred of evidence to prove it. And if Dear Leader loses in November they'll be in the same state of denial even if he loses by a larger margin, as is definitely possible.
 
To be fair it's not just him, it's his cult followers too. I still see plenty of "2020 Was Stolen" or similarly worded Trump flags and signs around, some people have had them hanging for nearly four years. They simply refuse to believe that they are only a minority percentage of the electorate. They are convinced that they make up the "silent majority" of "Real Americans" and therefore a Trump defeat simply cannot happen unless the wicked Democrats steal the election, as surely happened in 2020 even though they couldn't prove it and there's not a shred of evidence to prove it. And if Dear Leader loses in November they'll be in the same state of denial even if he loses by a larger margin, as is definitely possible.
It's effective. I see that same fear of the silent MAGA permeate some folks here at times
 
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