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The next day on the far side of the mountain we encountered the two lads that had deserted us. Hangin upside down in a tree. They'd been skinned and I can tell ye it does very little for a man's appearance.
2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024
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Paine
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I would say that Trump’s appeal to Nicaraguans and Venezuelans in the U.S. is due to his screeds against communism and socialism.
superrific
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What bump? 538 has Kamala winning 53-46, up from yesterday's 53-47 and down from last week's 55-45. I mean, come on. There's no polling bump for Trump.
superrific
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Did she know that Trump thinks she has bad genes? And that in a second Trump term, he's probably going to make it hard for her and other bad-gened people to have babies? The first is established fact. The second is more speculative.My wife and I engaged our twenty year old Latino female waitress at our favorite Mexican restaurant this past week.
She’s voting for Trump.
I was dumbfounded and broken.
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Im sure that's what most would say, but i think it rings as true as the economic anxiety of some of the most ardent Trumpers.
Hatred sells. Hiw many times in humanity do we have to see it repeated to realize it's true?
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Weird.
RockyMtnHoo
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That’s funny and sad at the same time. Do these groups think MAGA’s (or Trump) see them as one bit different from the Mexicans they look down on?
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Has that ever really mattered when it comes to such things? At the rotten core of such things, it's always about being somewhere high enough to grind your boot downward...and if the boot was grinding from above, all the more reason to squash those below.
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which is dumb and hateful and just another illustration of how out of touch they are......because as we all know, right wingers literally refer to anyone who is hispanic as mexican.
hispanic = mexican = bad brown people
hispanic trump voters are neck and neck with women trump voters and any other POC trump voters in the voting against their own interests race.
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Why Is Trump Gaining With Black and Hispanic Voters?
Five possible explanations for the increases in support, particularly among young men.
1. They don’t mind the dog whistles
To liberals, Mr. Trump’s views on race, crime and immigration are little more than racist dog whistles.Many Black and Hispanic voters feel similarly, but a surprising number hear those dog whistles and like what they’re hearing.
- Around 40 percent of Black voters and 43 percent of Hispanic voters say they support building a wall along the Southern border. Similarly, 45 percent of Hispanic voters and 41 percent of Black voters say they support deporting undocumented immigrants.
- Half of Hispanic voters and nearly half — 47 percent — of Black voters say that crime in big cities is a major problem that’s gotten out of control. That’s essentially the same as the share of white voters (50 percent) who say the same.
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2. They’re not offended; they might even be entertained
Of course, Mr. Trump hasn’t just used dog whistles in his campaigns. Sometimes, he’s used a bullhorn.During his time in national politics, he has offended millions of Black and Hispanic voters, including by recently saying that Haitian refugees eat cats and dogs and that undocumented immigrants are “poisoning the blood of our country.”
But a sizable minority of Black and Hispanic voters aren’t necessarily so offended.
Overall, 20 percent of Black voters say that those offended by Mr. Trump take him too seriously, while 78 percent agree people have good reason to be offended.
Similarly, 40 percent of Hispanic voters say people offended by Mr. Trump take his words too seriously, while 55 percent say there’s good reason to be offended. And importantly, only about one-third of Hispanic voters say Mr. Trump is talking about them when he’s talking about problems with immigration.
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3. It’s the economy, stupid
It’s obvious, and yet it still doesn't get enough attention.Many people assume that Democrats win Black and Hispanic voters simply because of the party’s commitment to advancing racial equality, but the role of economic self-interest should not be underestimated. Democrats started winning Black and Hispanic voters in the 1930s, not in the 1960s, because Franklin D. Roosevelt’s New Deal helped redefine the Democrats as the party of the working class, not just the party of the former Confederacy.
Just 20 percent of Hispanic voters and 26 percent of Black voters say the current economic conditions are good or excellent. More than half of both groups say they have “often” cut back on groceries over the last year because of the cost.
This is important for economically vulnerable voters — especially those who have previously voted for Democrats on the assumption that they represented their economic interests. Overall, the economy was the most-cited issue among Black and Hispanic voters when asked what would most decide their vote this November.
As a celebrity billionaire businessman, Mr. Trump has always had an advantage on this issue, whether against Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Biden. Now, Mr. Trump is running again at a time when voters are more dissatisfied with the economy than before, and when many look back on Mr. Trump’s presidency as a prosperous and peaceful time.
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4. The end of hope and change
Even beyond the poor state of the economy, there’s something deeper holding Democrats back: a sense that voting for them just won’t make much of a difference.Of all the questions in the survey, perhaps the single worst one for Democrats was on the question of which party best “keeps its promises.” Just 63 percent of Black voters and 46 percent of Hispanic voters said “keeps its promises” describes the Democratic Party better than the Republicans.
Black and Hispanic voters don’t necessarily doubt Democratic intentions, but they are disappointed in the results. Democrats fared poorly on questions like whether the party can “fix the problems facing people like me,” even as they excelled on “understand the problems facing people like me.”
In the presidential race, few seem to be convinced that Ms. Harris will make a difference in their lives. Just 50 percent of Hispanic voters said Ms. Harris would do more to help them personally, while 37 percent said the same for Mr. Trump. Among Black voters, 73 percent said Ms. Harris would do more to help them personally, compared with 14 percent who said the same for Mr. Trump.
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5. For a new generation, Trump is ‘normal’
The Times/Siena polls suggest Mr. Trump has made his largest gains among young Black and Hispanic voters — especially young Black and Hispanic men.Overall, he has a 55-38 lead among Hispanic men 45 or younger. Ms. Harris leads among Black men under 45, but only by 69-27. The results among 18-to-29-year-old Hispanic and Black men are even more striking, though the samples are small.
In contrast, Ms. Harris holds far more typical leads for a Democrat among younger women, with a 68-30 edge among Hispanic women under 45 and 87-6 among young Black women.
These young men came of age long after the civil rights movement that cemented nearly unanimous Democratic support among Black voters 60 years ago. The youngest were toddlers during the Obama ’08 campaign. They may not have a vivid memory of Mr. Trump’s 2016 campaign. To them, Mr. Trump may be “normal” — a fixture of their lives to this point, naturally making it harder to depict him as a norm-defying “threat to democracy.”
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SnoopRob
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I think this is true for a lot of MAGA, as well as the Black and Hispanic voters mentioned here.
It's a very nihilistic view of our current situation and depresses the hell out of me.
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I think one big thing is that for the vast majority of black and Hispanic voters, there was virtually nothing relatable about the “Country Club Republicans” who dominated Republican politics before Trump came along. Trump may be overtly racist and anti-immigrant, but there are things about him that some black and Hispanic people (mainly men) may find relatable, unlike with the old school Country Club Republicans.Before going on, an important thing to keep in mind: While Mr. Trump is doing far better than prior Republicans, he is still far from winning a majority of the Black or Hispanic vote. As a consequence, many of the factors helping Mr. Trump apply only to a minority of Black and Hispanic voters. Even so, Democrats have typically won these groups by such wide margins that even modest support by Black or Hispanic voters can lay the groundwork for politically significant gains.Why Is Trump Gaining With Black and Hispanic Voters?
Five possible explanations for the increases in support, particularly among young men.www.nytimes.com
1. They don’t mind the dog whistles
To liberals, Mr. Trump’s views on race, crime and immigration are little more than racist dog whistles.
Many Black and Hispanic voters feel similarly, but a surprising number hear those dog whistles and like what they’re hearing.
The support for Mr. Trump’s views extends beyond issues related to race and immigration. A majority of Black and Hispanic voters seem to sympathize with his “America First” foreign policy, saying that America ought to pay less attention to problems overseas and concentrate on problems at home. Previous Times/Siena surveys have found that a substantial share of Black and Hispanic voters agree with Mr. Trump on trade as well.
- Around 40 percent of Black voters and 43 percent of Hispanic voters say they support building a wall along the Southern border. Similarly, 45 percent of Hispanic voters and 41 percent of Black voters say they support deporting undocumented immigrants.
- Half of Hispanic voters and nearly half — 47 percent — of Black voters say that crime in big cities is a major problem that’s gotten out of control. That’s essentially the same as the share of white voters (50 percent) who say the same.
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2. They’re not offended; they might even be entertained
Of course, Mr. Trump hasn’t just used dog whistles in his campaigns. Sometimes, he’s used a bullhorn.
During his time in national politics, he has offended millions of Black and Hispanic voters, including by recently saying that Haitian refugees eat cats and dogs and that undocumented immigrants are “poisoning the blood of our country.”
But a sizable minority of Black and Hispanic voters aren’t necessarily so offended.
Overall, 20 percent of Black voters say that those offended by Mr. Trump take him too seriously, while 78 percent agree people have good reason to be offended.
Similarly, 40 percent of Hispanic voters say people offended by Mr. Trump take his words too seriously, while 55 percent say there’s good reason to be offended. And importantly, only about one-third of Hispanic voters say Mr. Trump is talking about them when he’s talking about problems with immigration.
...
3. It’s the economy, stupid
It’s obvious, and yet it still doesn't get enough attention.
Many people assume that Democrats win Black and Hispanic voters simply because of the party’s commitment to advancing racial equality, but the role of economic self-interest should not be underestimated. Democrats started winning Black and Hispanic voters in the 1930s, not in the 1960s, because Franklin D. Roosevelt’s New Deal helped redefine the Democrats as the party of the working class, not just the party of the former Confederacy.
Just 20 percent of Hispanic voters and 26 percent of Black voters say the current economic conditions are good or excellent. More than half of both groups say they have “often” cut back on groceries over the last year because of the cost.
This is important for economically vulnerable voters — especially those who have previously voted for Democrats on the assumption that they represented their economic interests. Overall, the economy was the most-cited issue among Black and Hispanic voters when asked what would most decide their vote this November.
As a celebrity billionaire businessman, Mr. Trump has always had an advantage on this issue, whether against Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Biden. Now, Mr. Trump is running again at a time when voters are more dissatisfied with the economy than before, and when many look back on Mr. Trump’s presidency as a prosperous and peaceful time.
...
4. The end of hope and change
Even beyond the poor state of the economy, there’s something deeper holding Democrats back: a sense that voting for them just won’t make much of a difference.
Of all the questions in the survey, perhaps the single worst one for Democrats was on the question of which party best “keeps its promises.” Just 63 percent of Black voters and 46 percent of Hispanic voters said “keeps its promises” describes the Democratic Party better than the Republicans.
Black and Hispanic voters don’t necessarily doubt Democratic intentions, but they are disappointed in the results. Democrats fared poorly on questions like whether the party can “fix the problems facing people like me,” even as they excelled on “understand the problems facing people like me.”
In the presidential race, few seem to be convinced that Ms. Harris will make a difference in their lives. Just 50 percent of Hispanic voters said Ms. Harris would do more to help them personally, while 37 percent said the same for Mr. Trump. Among Black voters, 73 percent said Ms. Harris would do more to help them personally, compared with 14 percent who said the same for Mr. Trump.
...
5. For a new generation, Trump is ‘normal’
The Times/Siena polls suggest Mr. Trump has made his largest gains among young Black and Hispanic voters — especially young Black and Hispanic men.
Overall, he has a 55-38 lead among Hispanic men 45 or younger. Ms. Harris leads among Black men under 45, but only by 69-27. The results among 18-to-29-year-old Hispanic and Black men are even more striking, though the samples are small.
In contrast, Ms. Harris holds far more typical leads for a Democrat among younger women, with a 68-30 edge among Hispanic women under 45 and 87-6 among young Black women.
These young men came of age long after the civil rights movement that cemented nearly unanimous Democratic support among Black voters 60 years ago. The youngest were toddlers during the Obama ’08 campaign. They may not have a vivid memory of Mr. Trump’s 2016 campaign. To them, Mr. Trump may be “normal” — a fixture of their lives to this point, naturally making it harder to depict him as a norm-defying “threat to democracy.”
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I think one other thing with regard to Hispanic voters that is relevant specifically to Kamala Harris is that there is a not insignificant number of Hispanic people who harbor prejudices against black people.
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dukeman92
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Her retort to my plea to change her vote, or at least to do some more homework about her vote was that “I know he can be disrespectful but he did what he had to do as president”
Again… I was dumbfounded.
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During one of my stints inTX in the 70s I worked at place with around 20 guys out in a steel yard. Had a mix of ethnicities with the hierarchy of White>Black>Mezkins>Injuns (a couple guys with a fair amount of Comanche blood in them). It was esay to sense an undertone of dislike/disdain between the blacks and hispanics when joking around, talking trash, etc. The whites were above it all; the Indians just took it all in stride.
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100% anecdotal of course, but enthusiasm for Trump is way way down vs 2020. I just had to take the family on all of the fall-y agritourism stuff and so spent most of the day driving rural Virginia country roads in 5 or 6 counties Trump won by huge margins in 2020. In 2020, nearly every farm had a Trump sign in the front, some full custom jobs and nearly the size of billboards. This year you could count on one hand the number of signs for Trump, and all but one were the very basic standard sized political signs. But even more surprising was there were at least as many Harris signs, possibly even more. I drove these exact roads in 2020 and the difference is extremely noticeable. Trump is still going to crush Harris in these counties, but the margins will definitely be slimmer. Most of these people will still vote for him, but it seems like at least some of them have some shame about it this go-around, which hopefully means his turnout will be depressed.
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I have heard multiple stories of Cuban-Americans in Florida engaging in open discrimination against people from other Hispanic groups - especially those whom they suspect of being here illegally.
uncjhodges
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The amount of idiots who have completely forgotten what the Trump presidency was like is dumbfounding
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There is a lot to that I think?
These "hierarchy" stories remind me of my old prison Visitation days
Murderers said "look at those filthy rapists over there"
Rapists said "Hell the muderers get out in 10 years-I didn't kill anybody and I will be here for life "
There was usually a Lawyer or Doctor in custody.. Most of the other guys were like 'Hell unlike the rest of us they had a pretty good life they screwed up "
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I put some Harris/Walz signs at road junctions in my rural NC county yesterday- alongside (but not obscuring) the Trump signs. They were gone this morning.