2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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ChapelHillSooner said:
This gets repeated over and over but it is simply not an accurate representation of many in the MAGA cult. It describes some but it does not in any way describe them all.

One thing they have in common is that none of them believe anything negative that comes out about Trump. One reason for this is that they are too vested in the cult of personality. The cognitive dissonance that would arise if they believed the worst about Trump would be mentally debilitating.

That is most obvious for those who believe Trump is some type of messianic figure. Trump is now so tied into their belief system that questioning one threatens the other.
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It's why he can pull in so many Evangelicals. You do not question the higher authority, and the more they proclaim that trump is the authority, the less they can question him.
 
lightbluenc said:
It's why he can pull in so many Evangelicals. You do not question the higher authority, and the more they proclaim that trump is the authority, the less they can question him.
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Well said. This is the perfect encapsulation of what I hate so much about my upbringing in the Southern Baptist church. You couldn't question anything about God whatsoever- everything was "God works in mysterious ways" or "It's God's will" or "you're doing Satan's work questioning God."
 
CFordUNC said:
Well said. This is the perfect encapsulation of what I hate so much about my upbringing in the Southern Baptist church. You couldn't question anything about God whatsoever- everything was "God works in mysterious ways" or "It's God's will" or "you're doing Satan's work questioning God."
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And that’s what ultimately drove me away. As someone who asks questions about everything, that attitude is repulsive to me.

When one question is asked that they can’t answer, the worldview crumbles. They are forced to reject facts that are right in front of them in service to fundamentalism.
 
Paine said:
I don’t want to rehash this argument again, just want to point out that the Gaza dynamic is a bit more complex than just leftists not voting for Harris.

She has major issues with Arab voters because of Gaza. I don’t think they’re all leftists. Most of these people voted for Joe Biden in 2020. Leftists aren’t voting Trump over Harris. It seems like a lot of Arab voters will vote Trump over Harris.

Again, not making an argument about the efficacy of doing this.
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To be clear, I wasn’t trying to use a broad brush. Rather, my commentary was an attempt to offer some degree of my knowledge to a circumstance that, on its face, appears irrational, yet has reason whether we like it or not.
 
HeelingAg said:
To be clear, I wasn’t trying to use a broad brush. Rather, my commentary was an attempt to offer some degree of my knowledge to a circumstance that, on its face, appears irrational, yet has reason whether we like it or not.
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I got you. I should’ve responded directly to rodo’s post instead of yours. Just sort of a stream of consciousness on my part more than anything.
 
Paine said:
And that’s what ultimately drove me away. As someone who asks questions about everything, that attitude is repulsive to me.

When one question is asked that they can’t answer, the worldview crumbles. They are forced to reject facts that are right in front of them in service to fundamentalism.
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That is sort of what drove me away. To them, faith means unwavering belief. That is a mental state that is impossible for me to achieve. I can't pretend that I know something with absolute certainty that I do not know. My church days were spent thinking that I was (or might be) going to hell because I could never reach the state of absolute knowledge that I was told I had to reach.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
That is sort of what drove me away. To them, faith means unwavering belief. That is a mental state that is impossible for me to achieve. I can't pretend that I know something with absolute certainty that I do not know. My church days were spent thinking that I was (or might be) going to hell because I could never reach the state of absolute knowledge that I was told I had to reach.
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I deal with it with my family members all the time. Idk how many times I’ve told them that they can still be a Christian and accept scientific proof of evolution, the Big Bang, etc.

But if they accept these things, then that also leads to questioning other parts of religious dogma. It’s a challenge to their worldview that they can’t compute. Makes me very sad, tbh.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
This gets repeated over and over but it is simply not an accurate representation of many in the MAGA cult. It describes some but it does not in any way describe them all.

One thing they have in common is that none of them believe anything negative that comes out about Trump. One reason for this is that they are too vested in the cult of personality. The cognitive dissonance that would arise if they believed the worst about Trump would be mentally debilitating.

That is most obvious for those who believe Trump is some type of messianic figure. Trump is now so tied into their belief system that questioning one threatens the other.
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It describes the vast majority of his supporters and why they support him in the first place.
 
lightbluenc said:
That's the hope I think.
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Anecdotal I know, but I was eavesdropping on several convos in my early voting line.

One guy said he had a poster of Nixon above his bed as child and is voting for Harris.

Now, if I had a poster of Nixon over my bed as child, you wouldn’t be able to torture that info out of me. But I’m glad he’s voting for Harris lol.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
That is sort of what drove me away. To them, faith means unwavering belief. That is a mental state that is impossible for me to achieve. I can't pretend that I know something with absolute certainty that I do not know. My church days were spent thinking that I was (or might be) going to hell because I could never reach the state of absolute knowledge that I was told I had to reach.
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Not to derail, but same. It's not that I refuse to believe - it's that I can't. And it took me a while, but I've come to terms with it and am a lot more comfortable with that truth.

And I, too, remember being in church every Sunday as a kid, peeping at everyone else during prayers, and never once seeing anyone peeping back... Never really felt that connection, either.
 
This will not turn Oklahoma blue, but it is nice to see...

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'Insecure and weak': Shock move sees Trump dumped by GOP mayor from heart of Bible belt

Voters in a strong red state have received a dire warning from their capital's Republican mayor not elect former President Donald Trump. Oklahoma City Mayor David Holt, a lifelong Republican, wrote in the Philadelphia Citizen Thursday why he cannot vote for Trump. "I will vote for virtue," he...
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