2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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HintonJamesHeel said:
Her closing argument is focusing on 1/6. That’s out of touch.

I think Harris would be a good president but she’s a lousy campaigner. Running on the fact she’s not Trump won’t win because most Americans are numb to how dangerous he is. They can’t be shocked enough anymore. She should have (and should now) talk about the fact that she’ll be tougher on the border to protect jobs, expand Obamacare, provide tax relief for those making less than (choose a number). Don’t say I will tax the rich. Talk about helping those under and certain level. People feel that. Mention nothing about trans rights. It’s not that I don’t care but that’s not going to win and she has to win. If she loses this, and the trend appears to be she will, then I pray the Democrats huddle with politicians like Bernie and Warren and talk about how they get back to focusing on middle America. Concerts with Beyoncé and Springsteen is not it. No one cares.
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Why in the world do you think her closing argument is focusing on 1/6? Have you seen it? She's talking a little bit more than she has been about Trump being a fascist because his closest aides just went on the record calling him that.

I'm almost certain her closing argument will be a concise summary of her positions on (a) helping the middle and working classes, (b) protecting our border while also respecting our immigrant communities, (c) continuing to invest in American manufacturing, (d) supporting our unions, (e) standing by our allies and opposing our enemies abroad, and (f) protecting women's rights to control their bodies. In other words, what she's been talking about since the day she took over.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Her closing argument is focusing on 1/6. That’s out of touch.

I think Harris would be a good president but she’s a lousy campaigner. Running on the fact she’s not Trump won’t win because most Americans are numb to how dangerous he is. They can’t be shocked enough anymore. She should have (and should now) talk about the fact that she’ll be tougher on the border to protect jobs, expand Obamacare, provide tax relief for those making less than (choose a number). Don’t say I will tax the rich. Talk about helping those under and certain level. People feel that. Mention nothing about trans rights. It’s not that I don’t care but that’s not going to win and she has to win. If she loses this, and the trend appears to be she will, then I pray the Democrats huddle with politicians like Bernie and Warren and talk about how they get back to focusing on middle America. Concerts with Beyoncé and Springsteen is not it. No one cares.
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You are just deep in your feels and your pessimism. No offense intended, and I'm certainly not belittling you for having those those feelings. But you are not paying attention if you think that Harris's closing argument is solely about January, 6, 2021. Her closing argument is that America gets to choose between a president who has an "enemies list" and a president that has a "to-do list" for the American people. Her closing argument is that we can choose to continue to be a free democracy, or we can surrender our democracy to a handful of fascist billionaire oligarchs. Her closing argument is that we can build an America with an opportunity economy for people of al socioeconomic backgrounds, or we can choose to let billionaires continue to squeeze the life out of the middle class. Her closing argument is that we can choose positivity, hope, optimism, and joy, or we can choose hatred and fear. She has provided clear and concise talking points on every single one of the policy items you listed above. That you are choosing to not see them or hear them is on you, not on her.
 
CFordUNC said:
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Don't think the GOP supermajority can override Cooper signing off on the electors. Thankfully. Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin should all be safe from these shenanigans for the same reason.

Nevada and Georgia have a bit more fear involved.
 
rodoheel said:
I'm not really sure I follow your last sentence. No one here believes Trump's BS. The objective reality is that the election is very close and will be decided by thin margins. At best, that means we're about to go through two more months of "stop the steal" BS, and conspiracy theories, and lawsuits, and who knows what else. Being concerned about Trump winning the election, which is a very real possibility, and/or about what will happen if we don't know an official result for days, which is also a very real possibility, does not correlate at all with believing Trump's BS.

I guess my complete response would be, how are you NOT freaking out? How is, like, a 40-50% possibility of a Trump win (likely coming along with control of both the House and the Senate) not raising a huge knot of stress in the pit of your stomach? I sure as hell hope it doesn't happen. There's still a good chance it doesn't happen. But I find it hard to understand an "everything is good" mentality at this point. Many of us had that mentality in October 2016, when Clinton was blowing Trump out and we were laughing at Pubs all the way to the finish line. After that debacle, how anyone could ever again go into a Trump election - knowing the stakes and consequences if he does win - with calmness and confidence is beyond me.
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I don't want to necessarily speak for @lawtig02 but I'll speak for myself- and I know that folks like lawtig and I probably seem like we are completely off our rocker with the optimism. I just feel that the fundamentals matter. Money matters, grassroots volunteers matter, the ground game matters, the message of joy and hope vs. the message of hatred and division and negativity matters, the message of "America is a great place but we still have work to do to make it even better" vs. "America is a garbage can" matter. Trump has been a massive albatross around the GOP's electoral chances in general elections for going on 8 years now. MAGA is deeply unpopular among all normal people in this country. There are significant numbers of Republicans claiming that they are voting for Harris. All of those things matter, IMO. I'm not saying that it won't be uncomfortably close, but I just trust that having literally all of the fundamentals and intangibles in Harris's favor, and none in Trump's, is what will seal the deal.
 
CFordUNC said:
You are just deep in your feels and your pessimism. No offense intended, and I'm certainly not belittling you for having those those feelings. But you are not paying attention if you think that Harris's closing argument is solely about January, 6, 2021. Her closing argument is that America gets to choose between a president who has an "enemies list" and a president that has a "to-do list" for the American people. Her closing argument is that we can choose to continue to be a free democracy, or we can surrender our democracy to a handful of fascist billionaire oligarchs. Her closing argument is that we can build an America with an opportunity economy for people of al socioeconomic backgrounds, or we can choose to let billionaires continue to squeeze the life out of the middle class. Her closing argument is that we can choose positivity, hope, optimism, and joy, or we can choose hatred and fear. She has provided clear and concise talking points on every single one of the policy items you listed above. That you are choosing to not see them or hear them is on you, not on her.
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The overwhelming majority of Americans think they lived through four years of Trump and if it happens again, they will live through another 4. She needs to be talking about uplifting the lower and middle class. The argument she isn’t Trump isn’t going to win it for her. I pray I’m wrong.
 
nycfan said:
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These clowns should be ignored. Their own candidate routinely says far more inflammatory things about Harris, including just hours ago repeating the lie that she wants to execute babies after birth. If they wanted to have any legitimacy whatsoever they could have directed this open letter to both candidates. But of course, in truth, they simply should not run a candidate whose own VP has compared him to Hitler and who keeps praising Hitler to those around him.
 
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