2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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rodoheel said:
I'm not really sure I follow your last sentence. No one here believes Trump's BS. The objective reality is that the election is very close and will be decided by thin margins. At best, that means we're about to go through two more months of "stop the steal" BS, and conspiracy theories, and lawsuits, and who knows what else. Being concerned about Trump winning the election, which is a very real possibility, and/or about what will happen if we don't know an official result for days, which is also a very real possibility, does not correlate at all with believing Trump's BS.

I guess my complete response would be, how are you NOT freaking out? How is, like, a 40-50% possibility of a Trump win (likely coming along with control of both the House and the Senate) not raising a huge knot of stress in the pit of your stomach? I sure as hell hope it doesn't happen. There's still a good chance it doesn't happen. But I find it hard to understand an "everything is good" mentality at this point. Many of us had that mentality in October 2016, when Clinton was blowing Trump out and we were laughing at Pubs all the way to the finish line. After that debacle, how anyone could ever again go into a Trump election - knowing the stakes and consequences if he does win - with calmness and confidence is beyond me.
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I don't want to necessarily speak for @lawtig02 but I'll speak for myself- and I know that folks like lawtig and I probably seem like we are completely off our rocker with the optimism. I just feel that the fundamentals matter. Money matters, grassroots volunteers matter, the ground game matters, the message of joy and hope vs. the message of hatred and division and negativity matters, the message of "America is a great place but we still have work to do to make it even better" vs. "America is a garbage can" matter. Trump has been a massive albatross around the GOP's electoral chances in general elections for going on 8 years now. MAGA is deeply unpopular among all normal people in this country. There are significant numbers of Republicans claiming that they are voting for Harris. All of those things matter, IMO. I'm not saying that it won't be uncomfortably close, but I just trust that having literally all of the fundamentals and intangibles in Harris's favor, and none in Trump's, is what will seal the deal.
 
CFordUNC said:
You are just deep in your feels and your pessimism. No offense intended, and I'm certainly not belittling you for having those those feelings. But you are not paying attention if you think that Harris's closing argument is solely about January, 6, 2021. Her closing argument is that America gets to choose between a president who has an "enemies list" and a president that has a "to-do list" for the American people. Her closing argument is that we can choose to continue to be a free democracy, or we can surrender our democracy to a handful of fascist billionaire oligarchs. Her closing argument is that we can build an America with an opportunity economy for people of al socioeconomic backgrounds, or we can choose to let billionaires continue to squeeze the life out of the middle class. Her closing argument is that we can choose positivity, hope, optimism, and joy, or we can choose hatred and fear. She has provided clear and concise talking points on every single one of the policy items you listed above. That you are choosing to not see them or hear them is on you, not on her.
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The overwhelming majority of Americans think they lived through four years of Trump and if it happens again, they will live through another 4. She needs to be talking about uplifting the lower and middle class. The argument she isn’t Trump isn’t going to win it for her. I pray I’m wrong.
 
nycfan said:
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These clowns should be ignored. Their own candidate routinely says far more inflammatory things about Harris, including just hours ago repeating the lie that she wants to execute babies after birth. If they wanted to have any legitimacy whatsoever they could have directed this open letter to both candidates. But of course, in truth, they simply should not run a candidate whose own VP has compared him to Hitler and who keeps praising Hitler to those around him.
 


Sounds like possible chicanery by people trying to disrupt the event to me, but it is Beyoncé, so maybe just a million people hoping for a free mini concert.

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