2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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CFordUNC said:
I take your contention to be that “this is a bad thing that could cost Harris the election” and my contention is “this is a dumb thing that ultimately won’t even be remembered a day from now, and isn’t going to be some impetus that prevents the Democrats from successfully closing what has already been a successful campaign, no matter how loudly MAGA Twitter screams and cries or how much Democratic Twitter hyperventilates with anxiety.”
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To be more precise, my contention is that "this is a bad thing that reduces Harris's chances of winning the election, with no way to know by what amount."

And candidly I don't know what you mean by saying that this "has already been a successful campaign." This will have been a successful campaign if Harris wins the election, whether by the narrowest of margins or the largest. if Harris loses it is a 100% unsuccessful campaign and nothing else that happened matters. It's a business of purely binary outcomes.
 
CFordUNC said:
If we lose this election because an old man who isn’t even on the ticket made a verbal gaffe on a Zoom call, we were never, ever, ever winning this election at any point in the first place.
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I think I understand what you're intending but that statement is literally contradictory. By definition if Kamala was "never, ever, ever winning this election at any point in the first place" then we didn't lose it "because" of what Biden said.

We can stop talking about this now. I agree with the other poster that me continuing to try to explain my opinion here isn't productive.
 
MAGAs hear from their dumb sources how easy the democrats have made it to commit voter fraud, so they think they can get away with it, too.
It’s akin to the dumbasses who got arrested after declaring themselves transgender and walking into women’s restrooms.
 
The last 24-48 hours has shown everyone that the main reason Americans can’t come together is because of the media.

A comedian tells a joke that doesn’t do well and is mainly booed. Trump disavows the next day. Endless coverage of how this shows he is racist. There are plenty of examples of his racism. That is not one of them.

The president gets spun up about the remark and says oh yeah? Only trash thing is those guys! He immediately wishes he hadn’t said it. Endless coverage of how this show the Democrats hate Republicans.

We are kind of screwed because the country won’t ever get a timeout as long as the media does this and there’s no incentive to stop.
 
rodoheel said:
I don't know what the right answer is, but the right time obviously isn't the week before the election. And I'm not convinced "being a shithead to the shitheads" is the way to "lance the MAGA boil" anyway, even though it would make all of us feel better.
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Let's be clear. There is nothing wrong with what Biden said. Even as misconstrued, it's accurate. I absolutely do not believe that stifling the truth is the right thing to do. I do not believe that will cost any significant votes that will not be more than made up as Republicans continue to expose their blatant hypocrisy. We've rolled over enough accepting their lies instead of making them back them up. If people can't see the clear distinction and we lose over this, I just don't care. We'll deserve to go to hell. We're never going to be worth a damn catering to abject stupidity.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
The last 24-48 hours has shown everyone that the main reason Americans can’t come together is because of the media.

A comedian tells a joke that doesn’t do well and is mainly booed. Trump disavows the next day. Endless coverage of how this shows he is racist. There are plenty of examples of his racism. That is not one of them.

The president gets spun up about the remark and says oh yeah? Only trash thing is those guys! He immediately wishes he hadn’t said it. Endless coverage of how this show the Democrats hate Republicans.

We are kind of screwed because the country won’t ever get a timeout as long as the media does this and there’s no incentive to stop.
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I don't believe Trump has disavowed the comment yet, no?
 
rodoheel said:
I think I understand what you're intending but that statement is literally contradictory. By definition if Kamala was "never, ever, ever winning this election at any point in the first place" then we didn't lose it "because" of what Biden said.

We can stop talking about this now. I agree with the other poster that me continuing to try to explain my opinion here isn't productive.
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All good, man. I think we are probably talking past one another at this point. I don’t think your viewpoint is invalid or anything- I just don’t happen to agree with it. But I know that we want the exact same thing as it pertains to this election, and that’s good enough for me.
 
finesse said:
Let's be clear. There is nothing wrong with what Biden said. Even as misconstrued, it's accurate. I absolutely do not believe that stifling the truth is the right thing to do. I do not believe that will cost any significant votes that will not be more than made up as Republicans continue to expose their blatant hypocrisy. We've rolled over enough accepting their lies instead of making them back them up. If people can't see the clear distinction and we lose over this, I just don't care. We'll deserve to go to hell. We're never going to be worth a damn catering to abject stupidity.
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I understand what you mean, and anyone who thinks what I'm advocating is "rolling over accepting their lies" or "stifling the truth" hasn't read my posts on this board or the old board for very long. It is certainly appropriate and important for Democrats to constantly attack the hypocrisy of sniveling turds like Vance and the entire conservative media ecosystem, in this and every other instance. But if you think politics in this country has ever not involved "catering to abject stupidity" then I have some beachfront property in Missouri to sell you. Because everyone of age gets a vote, the reality is that a huge proportion of the electorate is made up of idiots and people who are woefully uniformed. There's no way to ignore them or their votes. So anyone who wants to win an election of any kind has to take a pragmatic approach to wooing stupid, uninformed voters. We can wish all we want for a magical world where elections are decided only by the merits and policies of the candidates, but that world doesn't exist. Not in this country, not in any country. And we have to win elections in this world, not a hypothetical one.
 
CFordUNC said:
Quite the opposite, in fact. He doubled down on it during his Hannity interview.
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Yeah, this not a bosides comparison despite media insinuations.

Joe Biden was criticizing the Trump supporting comedian; Trump did his " Don't blame me, I don't know the guy" defense
 
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CFordUNC said:
If we lose this election because an old man who isn’t even on the ticket made a verbal gaffe on a Zoom call, we were never, ever, ever winning this election at any point in the first place.
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This ^. … and for those that have angst about Kamala not being ready/willing to voice how she would have presided differently than Biden, the ill made garbage comment is an opportunity. She has and can use this to demonstrate that she will communicate more effectively than the guy she has replaced on the ballot.
 
rodoheel said:
I understand what you mean, and anyone who thinks what I'm advocating is "rolling over accepting their lies" or "stifling the truth" hasn't read my posts on this board or the old board for very long. It is certainly appropriate and important for Democrats to constantly attack the hypocrisy of sniveling turds like Vance and the entire conservative media ecosystem, in this and every other instance. But if you think politics in this country has ever not involved "catering to abject stupidity" then I have some beachfront property in Missouri to sell you. Because everyone of age gets a vote, the reality is that a huge proportion of the electorate is made up of idiots and people who are woefully uniformed. There's no way to ignore them or their votes. So anyone who wants to win an election of any kind has to take a pragmatic approach to wooing stupid, uninformed voters. We can wish all we want for a magical world where elections are decided only by the merits and policies of the candidates, but that world doesn't exist. Not in this country, not in any country. And we have to win elections in this world, not a hypothetical one.
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I was born in Truman's administration. I'm scarcely naive. It's that fact that helps me realize that always applying a general principle can easily lead to failure in specific cases. I think you're looking at two in a bush here and ignoring the thorns. You just don't give up important things for maybes.
 
rodoheel said:
The Guvernator explains how vote for Harris/Walz:

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Should Trump win next week, historians will record that this was the year that Americans repudiated their democratic republic in favor of the establishment of a fascist autocracy
 
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NPR led off their 10:00 am and 11:00 am top-of-the-hour news reports with Biden’s gaffe reporting that he’d called Trump supporters garbage and that Harris had to disavow Biden’s comments.

NPR does yeoman’s work this election cycle ‘Bo-siding and sane-washing.
 


But please Mr. Sleepy Joe Brandon, please don’t call people who support him garbage!!! It might offend their delicate sensibilities!!
 
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