2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

[Healing]

I'm just going to make three quick points on this stupid story and then never even think about it again.

1. Biden's intent seemed pretty clear to me.
2. Even as intended, Biden's comment was pretty dumb. He should know how things like that will be taken out of context.
3. I 100% agree with the comments here that MAGA focusing its ire on Biden in the last week of the campaign could turn out to be a good thing for Kamala. I seriously doubt that was Biden's intent, but if there's ever been a time where it could be a good thing to have a scapegoat, it's now.

Kamala: and ladies and gentlemen, this is why we can’t trust our democracy to the mental acuity of 80 year olds!

 

[HintonJamesHeel]

The Republicans are so dysfunctional. You’d think they would for sure have told Mark Robinson that it’s over and he needs to go away. Cut him a check or whatever but get that clown off the stage.

 

[Zoo_View]

So far, the one media outlet I’ve heard making a “big deal” about Biden’s gaffe is the BBC News Hour on NPR (9:00 - 10:00 am on WUNC). And, they aren’t making that big of a deal out of it…….and, BBC appears to do as much sane-washing and ‘bo-siding as any of the American mainstream media.

 

[05C40]

Been in that situation multiple times and I do indeed feel similarly.

One of the times that has happened to me was, in retrospect, funny. Nearly 20 years ago, I had my pericardium removed, due to, no surprise, pericarditis. Shortly after the surgery and after I was out of the cardiac care room, a doctor came in who I had never seen before. He introduced himself said he was an oncologist and he had the results from the tests they had conducted on my pericardium for mesothelioma. I must have blanched completely white, because he start stumbling over his words trying to get out that all the tests were negative. Once I had recovered my composure, I explained I was a lawyer and had taken a lot of depositions for use at trial of people who had mesothelioma and were not expected to make it trial. He sort of laughed and said something like he usually had to explain what mesothelioma was to folks, after he had told then they were negative.

 

[hedge]

Bannon has always reminded me of the dirty, sleazy, half-drunk old men wearing dirty trenchcoats and beard stubble who stand on street corners and expose themselves to passerby.

He’s a character Nick Nolte has played at least 4 times.

Including in real life:

 

[Zaddy]

Including in real life:

Lolol I read Barron the first time and was confused.

 

[SnoopRob]

Sheetz for sure. Zaddy is also already super ignored

Oh, come on, we all know that Zaddy is going to be some kind of spicy chicken dish at Zaxby's.

 

[rodoheel]

Personally, I’m way more annoyed by the attempt to contextualize the “Trump supporters are garbage” than I am by the gaffe itself. If Biden had been more willing to take off the gloves a lot sooner and call those stupid motherfuckers exactly what they are a lot sooner, he might still be the nominee.

But yeah, anyone who thinks that this moves one single solitary vote in either direction needs to log off for the day and either go touch some grass or smoke some.

Anyone who thinks this won't potentially change some votes is naive. Don't try to assume that undecided or low-propensity voters act rationally. I hope it won't have a large effect, but to assume that it is irrelevant and can't matter at all is just the purest form of hopium. it's a stupid unforced error that Republicans will work hard to keep in the news cycle for the next week and is causing numerous campaign surrogates to have to spend time defending instead of focusing on message,

 

[05C40]

Especially if they have truck nuts hanging from the back.

When my wife first saw "truck nuts" she thought they were hilarious wanted me to get a pick-up again so she could buy a pair and hang them on the back. I agreed, provided that I pay for the fuel used by the truck everytime we actually needed a truck and she pay for the fuel the rest of the time. My wife declined.

 

[CFordUNC]

Anyone who thinks this won't potentially change some votes is naive. Don't try to assume that undecided or low-propensity voters act rationally. I hope it won't have a large effect, but to assume that it is irrelevant and can't matter at all is just the purest form of hopium. it's a stupid unforced error that Republicans will work hard to keep in the news cycle for the next week and is causing numerous campaign surrogates to have to spend time defending instead of focusing on message,

We are clearly going to have to agree to disagree. You really think that there are people out there who have been sitting around not planing to vote and/or not knowing for whom they will vote, but all of a sudden a guy who isn’t running for president makes some remark on a Zoom call about Trump supporters being garbage, and NOW they’re gonna go scampering to the polls, despite a guy who IS running for president having said some absolutely absurd shit himself every time he’s in front of cameras? You have a lot lower opinion of our electorate than even I do.

 

[CFordUNC]

 

[05C40]

Anyone who thinks this won't potentially change some votes is naive. Don't try to assume that undecided or low-propensity voters act rationally. I hope it won't have a large effect, but to assume that it is irrelevant and can't matter at all is just the purest form of hopium. it's a stupid unforced error that Republicans will work hard to keep in the news cycle for the next week and is causing numerous campaign surrogates to have to spend time defending instead of focusing on message,

Anyone who claims that they changed their vote because of Biden's mid-sentence stutter is a liar. I could walk out on my back porch and start screaming that aliens (the ET kind) just ate my brain and change more votes than Biden's stutter will.

 

[MOUNTAINH33L]

THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[CFordUNC]

Modern conservatism can be succinctly summed up as: “Fuck your feelings, snowflake, but also fuck you for fucking MY feelings!!!”

 

[CFordUNC]

We'll never know for sure, but some believe that Hillary's "deplorables" comment contributed to her loss.

No. What contributed to Hillary’s loss was that, 1. she was Hillary Clinton, the sole focus of the entire right wing media machine’s obsessive rage for three decades prior, 2. her campaign tried to run out the clock, and didn’t even attempt to campaign in midwestern states, and 3. Trump was then an outsider.

At the time, I personally voted against her for reasons number 1 and number 3.

 

[rodoheel]

We are clearly going to have to agree to disagree. You really think that there are people out there who have been sitting around not planing to vote and/or not knowing for whom they will vote, but all of a sudden a guy who isn’t running for president makes some remark on a Zoom call about Trump supporters being garbage, and NOW they’re gonna go scampering to the polls, despite a guy who IS running for president having said some absolutely absurd shit himself every time he’s in front of cameras? You have a lot lower opinion of our electorate than even I do.

First of all, I have a very low opinion of the electorate. Something like 80 million people are about to vote for Donald Trump. As I said: if you try to spend one minute inside the head of a low-propensity voter, or an "undecided" voter, you will go insane. You certainly will not find anything rational. Low-propensity voters are now heavily Trump leaning. Anything that risks turning out any of them who can barely muster the energy to vote is bad.

Second of all, even if you don't think the remark itself will directly change a single vote, it is going to divert a ton of campaign attention over the next week. Biden had to immediately backtrack from it. Walz has had to defend it. Josh Shapiro has had to defend it. Every major dem surrogate will be asked about it multiple times over the next few days. That is time and energy that should be spent on the messaging the campaign wants to get out. Instead it's spent explaining this away.

There is a reason Trumpworld is going into hyperdrive messaging over this. Of course they're craven hypocrites. Of course they're grievance politics grifters and grubbers whose attempts to appropriate victimhood for themselves and their supporters are laughable. Of course most normie voters will roll their eyes at this. But in a close election, at this stage of the game, anything that drives the campaign off message and into defensive mode is a bad thing. I'm not telling you to wring your hands about it over the next few days but refusing to acknowledge the possibility that it is a real thing that hurts the campaign is foolish.

 

[CFordUNC]

First of all, I have a very low opinion of the electorate. Something like 80 million people are about to vote for Donald Trump. As I said: if you try to spend one minute inside the head of a low-propensity voter, or an "undecided" voter, you will go insane. You certainly will not find anything rational. Low-propensity voters are now heavily Trump leaning. Anything that risks turning out any of them who can barely muster the energy to vote is bad.

Second of all, even if you don't think the remark itself will directly change a single vote, it is going to divert a ton of campaign attention over the next week. Biden had to immediately backtrack from it. Walz has had to defend it. Josh Shapiro has had to defend it. Every major dem surrogate will be asked about it multiple times over the next few days. That is time and energy that should be spent on the messaging the campaign wants to get out. Instead it's spent explaining this away.

There is a reason Trumpworld is going into hyperdrive messaging over this. Of course they're craven hypocrites. Of course they're grievance politics grifters and grubbers whose attempts to appropriate victimhood for themselves and their supporters are laughable. Of course most normie voters will roll their eyes at this. But in a close election, at this stage of the game, anything that drives the campaign off message and into defensive mode is a bad thing. I'm not telling you to wring your hands about it over the next few days but refusing to acknowledge the possibility that it is a real thing that hurts the campaign is foolish.

Understood. I guess I am foolish, then, because I don’t even think we’ll- and by ‘we’ I mean normal, non-brain-addled MAGAs- be talking about it 24 hours from now, because 1. all Harris and her campaign surrogates have to do is to give the exact answer she gave that I shared above, and 2. there was certainly be some other MAJOR BREAKING NEWSWORTHY!!! occurrence or utterance that will cause a whole fresh new wage of performative pearl clutching.

 

[finesse]

First of all, I have a very low opinion of the electorate. Something like 80 million people are about to vote for Donald Trump. As I said: if you try to spend one minute inside the head of a low-propensity voter, or an "undecided" voter, you will go insane. You certainly will not find anything rational. Low-propensity voters are now heavily Trump leaning. Anything that risks turning out any of them who can barely muster the energy to vote is bad.

Second of all, even if you don't think the remark itself will directly change a single vote, it is going to divert a ton of campaign attention over the next week. Biden had to immediately backtrack from it. Walz has had to defend it. Josh Shapiro has had to defend it. Every major dem surrogate will be asked about it multiple times over the next few days. That is time and energy that should be spent on the messaging the campaign wants to get out. Instead it's spent explaining this away.

There is a reason Trumpworld is going into hyperdrive messaging over this. Of course they're craven hypocrites. Of course they're grievance politics grifters and grubbers whose attempts to appropriate victimhood for themselves and their supporters are laughable. Of course most normie voters will roll their eyes at this. But in a close election, at this stage of the game, anything that drives the campaign off message and into defensive mode is a bad thing. I'm not telling you to wring your hands about it over the next few days but refusing to acknowledge the possibility that it is a real thing that hurts the campaign is foolish.

I still believe the more they focus on it, the more attention it will draw to their own hypocrisy. I really don't care about the voters we lose over this. I expect to gain more. If the truth be known, anybody who can be chased off by this remark in context of the campaign that has been waged by the victims can KMA and go somewhere else.

 

[CallMeTyler]

Understood. I guess I am foolish, then, because I don’t even think we’ll- and by ‘we’ I mean normal, non-brain-addled MAGAs- be talking about it 24 hours from now, because 1. all Harris and her campaign surrogates have to do is to give the exact answer she gave that I shared above, and 2. there was certainly be some other MAJOR BREAKING NEWSWORTHY!!! occurrence or utterance that will cause a whole fresh new wage of performative pearl clutching.

Trump's assassination lasted 48 hours. Who wants to wager that pivotal headline against the longevity of this "gaffe"?

 

[CFordUNC]

We can make a trade with the Trump campaign. We’ll take all of the people offended by Trump calling America a garbage can, or Trump admiring Hitler, or Trump openly fellating foreign adversaries and dictators daily, or Trump calling immigrants vermin, or Trump being an accused pedophilic pussy grabbing braggart, or Trump bragging about being the reason Roe was reversed, or Trump bragging about ending Obamacare.

The Trump campaign can take all of the people offended by Biden’s gaffe about Trump supoorters being garbage.

We’ll take that trade and win the EC by 100.