2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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Bigs23 said:
I understand what’s he’s saying but don’t really agree.

From my experience you aren’t changing these people’s minds.

You could just cut them out of your life but that doesn’t change anything either.

I will not talk politics with MAGAs. I used to try. There are few things less enjoyable.
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What the twitterer fails to acknowledge, likely knowingly, is that seeking of more and more extreme content outlets is the behavior you see from people with a fixed view. People don't listen to Charlie Kirk and Candice Owens because they speak truth - these folks are some distribution of ideologue, grifter, and sociopath - they listen because they confirm extremely durable priors.

Now, are those views 100% durable? No. What is 100% durable? However, these folks (the alluded to maga friends and family of those dastardly white liberals (DWL)) are openly hostile to countervailing arguments, arguments the DWL often backs with a plethora of data. In fact, countervailing arguments often further ingrain priors (a studied phenomenon) and create distance between DWL and maga. That shit wears out the mean DWL, so they do a little ROI calculation and realize it's time to move on. Most DWL, with a maga milieu, that I know (a lot) are beaten down by the expectation to change the minds of their doddering meemaw, papa, parents, uncles, etc. Why? BECAUSE THEY'VE TRIED - A LOT.

FWIW, in a reread of the above, I realized it could come off as a self defense. FTR, I grew up in the maga garden prior to and amidst the vile sprouts of "contract with america" and walked amongst the pre-flowering invasiveness of the Tea Party. Since maga, I've been detached from vile conservatism (except distant grandparents), except amongst the numerous neo-nazis, white supremacists, and aggrieved rural whites I encounter for work. So maybe, just maybe I have it all wrong and the DWL has a profound influence over loved ones who listen to Dennis Prager and RSBN (i.e. RT), but I doubt it. I have encountered a lot of well-meaning and empathetic DWLs that have tried and tried, only to come out on the other end with cynicism, exhaustion, and an ROI calculation that says "do the opposite of what Chris Evans is trying to shame me to do. BECAUSE I'VE FUCKING TRIED AND TRIED AND TRIED!"
 
Whatever happens, I'm proud of the campaign Harris ran and have no gripes about anything she did or didn't do. I think she did the best she could possibly do given the circumstances. No major gaffes, solid VP pick, strong debate performance, strong online presence, good messaging.

If she loses it's because of forces outside of her control, I can live with that.
 
CHAMTRAIN said:
Whatever happens, I'm proud of the campaign Harris ran and have no gripes about anything she did or didn't do. I think she did the best she could possibly do given the circumstances. No major gaffes, solid VP pick, strong debate performance, strong online presence, good messaging.

If she loses it's because of forces outside of her control, I can live with that.
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I was thinking last night about how near perfect she's been. There have been some flubs from people around her (including Biden), but it's really hard to think of major mistakes she's made. An amazing job under the most difficult circumstances.
 
WaynetheDrain said:
This is like re-living the buildup to the UNC-Duke Final Four game. I’m an emotional mess. Hopefully, we’ll have positive results this time, too.
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I feel this. Waiting through the Kansas/Nova game was gut wrenching.

However, I don't think a Kamala W would get me to the same level of pure bliss I felt walking out of the Superdome that night.
 
lawtig02 said:
I was thinking last night about how near perfect she's been. There have been some flubs from people around her (including Biden), but it's really hard to think of major mistakes she's made. An amazing job under the most difficult circumstances.
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I certainly wouldn’t call them major mistakes, but the two things that annoyed the shit out of me were her publicly scolding Palestinian protestors early on, and then just last week in the Ellipse speech not mentioning Puerto Rico even once in the wake of the MSG debacle.

I also think she played it a bit too cautious in not distancing herself enough from Biden policies and being too careful not to second guess him or his policies. Granted, that’s a very tough line to walk in her position.

Thankfully I don’t think any of these will affect the outcome much, and she’ll win comfortably thanks to a (mostly) excellent campaign.
 
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FTR, I think that the self-proclaimed ”moderate free-thinking conservatives” are much more to blame than liberals, but I get the gist of this thread.
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Not sure what I am supposed to do here. Fly into NC and lock my parents in a closet so they can't vote? They support bad people and have revealed that at their core they are bad people too. Our relationship is all but permanently broken. I don't see how their being horrible human beings is my fault.
 
altmin said:
Not sure what I am supposed to do here. Fly into NC and lock my parents in a closet so they can't vote? They support bad people and have revealed that at their core they are bad people too. Our relationship is all but permanently broken. I don't see how their being horrible human beings is my fault.
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Totally agree with you. Like I said, I’m not sure I really agree with that Twitter thread being directed at *liberals*. I think that blaming liberals for Donald Trump in 2024 is, frankly, idiotic. Donald Trump in 2024 is the direct result of too many Republicans either being the most craven cowards in American history, or being openly complicit.
 
WaynetheDrain said:
This is like re-living the buildup to the UNC-Duke Final Four game. I’m an emotional mess. Hopefully, we’ll have positive results this time, too.
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My husband said the exact same thing last night. We were in Philadelphia for the Sweet 16 and Final 8 games and it only struck us what was about to happen sitting in our hotel room the night before the Elite 8 game. From then to the end of that Final Four game we were both a wreck.

I actually always assumed that Blue Devil fans didn’t experience the pure anxiety/adrenaline double rush in anticipation of that Final Four game because they were so certain this was divine intervention to set them up to avenge the home loss in Durham on the way to K going out with a national title, but could be wrong about that.
 
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