2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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Rock said:
I don't know where to put this tweet but I'm so excited about it I'm throwing it in here because this is the kind of stuff that an administration should do for the citizens of our country and hopefully Kamala will continue down that path. Trump would make it so banks could reach through the phone and slap you in the face.



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If I were king I would mandate that every government office and every place of business be required to have a real live person answer the phone
 
"... At precisely the moment when Trump needs to elevate his performance, to the degree that such a thing is even possible, he’s gone back to his most natural state: erratic, crazed, transgressive, self-indulgent, and enraged. One by-product of this is that Trump has provided no coherent or focused line of attack on Harris. His criticisms are not just vile, but witless. The prospect of not just being beaten, but being beaten by a woman of color, has sent Trump into a frenzy in a way almost nothing else could.

That the Democratic Party was rejuvenated by Biden’s withdrawal is hardly surprising. But very few people anticipated how skilled Harris has been as a presidential candidate.

It’s not simply that she’s made few missteps so far, which is itself impressive. It’s that she’s hit all the right notes, projected self-assurance, and framed the race in just the way she wants: In contrast with Trump, she is future-oriented, a change agent, at ease and joyful.

... Something else, and something quite important, has changed. The whole landscape of the campaign has been transformed. The rise of Harris instantly cast Trump in a new light. He formerly seemed more ominous and threatening, which, whatever its political drawbacks, signaled strength; now he seems not just old but low-energy, stale, even pathetic. He has become the political version of Fat Elvis.

Trump is much better equipped psychologically to withstand ferocious criticisms than he is equipped to withstand mockery. Malignant narcissists go to great lengths to hide their fears and display a false or idealized self. Criticism targets the persona. Mockery, by contrast, can tap very deep fears of being exposed as flawed or weak. When the mask is the target, people with Trump’s psychological profile know how to fight back. Mockery, though, can cause them to unravel. ..."
 
nycfan said:
"... At precisely the moment when Trump needs to elevate his performance, to the degree that such a thing is even possible, he’s gone back to his most natural state: erratic, crazed, transgressive, self-indulgent, and enraged. One by-product of this is that Trump has provided no coherent or focused line of attack on Harris. His criticisms are not just vile, but witless. The prospect of not just being beaten, but being beaten by a woman of color, has sent Trump into a frenzy in a way almost nothing else could.

That the Democratic Party was rejuvenated by Biden’s withdrawal is hardly surprising. But very few people anticipated how skilled Harris has been as a presidential candidate.

It’s not simply that she’s made few missteps so far, which is itself impressive. It’s that she’s hit all the right notes, projected self-assurance, and framed the race in just the way she wants: In contrast with Trump, she is future-oriented, a change agent, at ease and joyful.

... Something else, and something quite important, has changed. The whole landscape of the campaign has been transformed. The rise of Harris instantly cast Trump in a new light. He formerly seemed more ominous and threatening, which, whatever its political drawbacks, signaled strength; now he seems not just old but low-energy, stale, even pathetic. He has become the political version of Fat Elvis.

Trump is much better equipped psychologically to withstand ferocious criticisms than he is equipped to withstand mockery. Malignant narcissists go to great lengths to hide their fears and display a false or idealized self. Criticism targets the persona. Mockery, by contrast, can tap very deep fears of being exposed as flawed or weak. When the mask is the target, people with Trump’s psychological profile know how to fight back. Mockery, though, can cause them to unravel. ..."
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That Fat Elvis thing has legs. Maybe not for Kamala and Tim, but for their social media partners. That could be a meme that drives Trump over the edge.
 
During softball sessions on Fox, Hannity/Ingraham/etc actively try to steer Trump away from trouble and towards the correct response. Is Elon ready for that part of the job?
 
Rock said:
I don't know where to put this tweet but I'm so excited about it I'm throwing it in here because this is the kind of stuff that an administration should do for the citizens of our country and hopefully Kamala will continue down that path. Trump would make it so banks could reach through the phone and slap you in the face.



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YES!!!!! this is seriously needed.

we are all absolutely effing SICK AND TIRED of shelling out boatloads of money to banks/utilities/health insurers/etc/etc and not being able to speak with an actual human to get help when problems inevitably arise.

it goes well beyond poor customer service. it is predatory BS. they don't give a crap if whatever they're selling you doesn't work or isn't serving you properly.
 
ZenMode said:
You have to wonder why he made that change at the end of his first term and not the beginning.

Trump clearly likes blind loyalty and "yes" men. Beyond the people who Presidents currently appoint, how many "career officials with a political advisory role" do you think there are? I honestly have no idea, but I can't imagine there's a lot when you consider the hundreds of thousands of federal employees that exist.

The system is designed so Presidents can't be Kings. Trump can surround himself with all the yes men he wants and they can hatch all kinds of stupid ideas, but true country-ending change would have to come into existence via legislation. Legislation can only come from Congress.
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Democracies often backslide into autocracies. Obviously, we have 230 years of precedent and culture to maintain democracy, but the system is not infallible. With a sufficiently compliant supreme court, a president could declare martial law and suspend the constitution. I think the odds of that actually happening are very low, but they aren't 0% either.
 
ZenMode said:
All 1/6 did was delay certification. There was no way in hell those yahoos were going to take over the government and put Trump back in power.
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All protestors that block interstates do is to delay arrival and traffic times.

There's no way in hell they would really cause any damage.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
Thanks to Pence. Vance has made it perfectly clear that he would do what Pence wouldn’t.
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If you have a vice president that is going to shirk his responsibilities, you don't need a riot.

The rioters were not going to cause a coup. Rioters can delay a lot of things if they are inclined to. They can delay certification for some amount of time, but eventually the authorities will come in and clear them out.
 
aGDevil2k said:
All protestors that block interstates do is to delay arrival and traffic times.

There's no way in hell they would really cause any damage.
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If you are going to compare blocking traffic to a few thousand unarmed rioters successfully overpowering the US government, I don't know where we go from here.

To be clear, I am not saying there weren't some very misguided people who thought that they could implement a coup. If you were there that day, you have pretty much exposes yourself as being misguided and generally not very intelligent. But there is simply no way that those people were going to forcefully put Trump back into power.
 
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ZenMode said:
If you are going to compare blocking traffic to a few thousand unarmed rioters successfully overpowering the US government, I don't know where we go from here.

To be clear, I am not saying there weren't some very misguided people who thought that they could implement a coup. If you were there that day, you have pretty much exposure yourself as being misdirected and generally not very intelligent. But there is simply no way that those people were going to forcefully put Trump back into power.
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The danger was not them "forcefully putting Trump back into power" against the might of the US government, it was them potentially intimidating Pence and/or Congress into nor certifying the election results leading to a whole bunch of chaos and likely Trump declaring himself to be President.
 
They didn’t need to “put Trump back in power.” They only needed to invalidate enough electors to throw the election to the House.

You seem pretty naive about the people that Trump will select to fill his next administration should it come to pass.
 
rodoheel said:
The danger was not them "forcefully putting Trump back into power" against the might of the US government, it was them potentially intimidating Pence and/or Congress into nor certifying the election results leading to a whole bunch of chaos and likely Trump declaring himself to be President.
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Sure, that's a legitimate fear in a lot of cases when protesters are involved. What if Congress caved on Brett kavanaugh because of protesters?

There are rules, laws and amendments in place to prevent bad people from causing trouble. There were more rules put in place because of Trump and the electors situation. I would assume there will be more rules, laws and amendments put into place to address future issues, also.
 
ZenMode said:
Sure, that's a legitimate fear in a lot of cases when protesters are involved. What if Congress caved on Brett kavanaugh because of protesters?

There are rules, laws and amendments in place to prevent bad people from causing trouble. There were more rules put in place because of Trump and the electors situation. I would assume there will be more rules, laws and amendments put into place to address future issues, also.
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Just stop. You aren't making any sense. The point was that the GOP was actively trying -- is actively trying -- to circumvent those rules, laws and amendments. You tell me: what if Pence did what Trump wanted and the Senate refused to acknowledge the electors from MI, GA, WI, etc.? Tell me how those rules, laws, and amendments would have stopped the coup.

If you don't think they will be able to get around the rules, fine. That's your view. It's unclear to me why you think your view here -- contradicted by most people who know what they are talking about -- is so rooted in fact that we should disregard attempts to get around those rules and just pretend like nothing bad can happen.
 
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