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2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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05C40 said:
Does anyone know how many "toss-up" states are going to have an abortion issue on the ballot?

Is this link current/correct: Which states could have abortion rights on the ballot in November?

The linked article suggests that Colorado, Florida, Maryland, Nevada, South Dakota, Arizona, and Nebraska will have abortion on the ballot. Republicans were successful in keeping it off the ballot in other states. I'm thinking that this will not affect the outcome in Colorado, Maryland, South Dakota, or Nebraska. I think those states are going to go the way they go regardless of an abortion amendment. But in Florida, Nevada, and Arizona, an abortion amendment on the ballot might get turnout up enough for those states to go Blue. Colorado and Maryland: going Blue regardless. South Dakota and Nebraska: going red regardless. But the Omaha electoral vote is probably going Blue regardless. I think an abortion amendment really might make a difference in Nevada and Arizona. But Florida, I hope it will make a difference and I think it could make a difference, but Florida has been such a fools' gold objective for Democrats for so long, it's hard to be optimistic.

But where an abortion issue on the ballot really could help in all seven states is in "down-ballot" races. It could really help in urban areas in all seven states and might help in some state-wide down-ballot races.
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It could also help in states adjoining a state with a referendum. Voters in parts of Pennsylvania & Georgia might get their news from Maryland and Florida.
 
Trump continues post his Trump-like things over at Truth Social, so maybe he let his campaign run the Twitter Account for now …



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lawtig02 said:
Oh?

www.brookings.edu

The risks of Schedule F for administrative capacity and government accountability

Schedule F would lead to a reduction in administrative capacity, government performance, and accountability to the public and Congress.
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Weeks before the 2020 election, President Trump unveiled an executive order that would have created a new class of political appointee, Schedule F. The order would have allowed a president to turn any career official with a policy advisory role into a political appointee, removing job protection and opening the door to vastly politicize the federal workforce.

President Biden rescinded the order, but Trump has made it a central feature of his re-election campaign as part of his effort to take control of “the deep state.” It’s not just Trump. Schedule F has also been more broadly accepted among Republicans, featuring in the Mandate for Leadership guide that the Heritage Foundation produces for prospective Republican presidents.
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You have to wonder why he made that change at the end of his first term and not the beginning.

Trump clearly likes blind loyalty and "yes" men. Beyond the people who Presidents currently appoint, how many "career officials with a political advisory role" do you think there are? I honestly have no idea, but I can't imagine there's a lot when you consider the hundreds of thousands of federal employees that exist.

The system is designed so Presidents can't be Kings. Trump can surround himself with all the yes men he wants and they can hatch all kinds of stupid ideas, but true country-ending change would have to come into existence via legislation. Legislation can only come from Congress.
 
ZenMode said:
You have to wonder why he made that change at the end of his first term and not the beginning.

Trump clearly likes blind loyalty and "yes" men. Beyond the people who Presidents currently appoint, how many "career officials with a political advisory role" do you think there are? I honestly have no idea, but I can't imagine there's a lot when you consider the hundreds of thousands of federal employees that exist.

The system is designed so Presidents can't be Kings. Trump can surround himself with all the yes men he wants and they can hatch all kinds of stupid ideas, but true country-ending change would have to come into existence via legislation. Legislation can only come from Congress.
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1. The legislature has never been less powerful in this country. You can thank the SCOTUS conservatives for that.

2. Trump rolled out Schedule F when he did because he was tired of getting hampered by people in the administrative state and he thought he would roll Joe in 2020. What do you think he will do if he wins in November?

3. Trump’s own administration said Schedule F could let him fire at least 50,000 civil servants, but he didn’t think he would need to do so because once he fired several thousand, the rest would fall in line.

I used to share your belief that our system would not allow a president to become a king. That seems obviously false to me now. If the system didn’t prevent a domestic terrorist like Trump from becoming the candidate again for one of our two major parties, it will not stop him from doing what he wants if he regains power.
 
I don't know where to put this tweet but I'm so excited about it I'm throwing it in here because this is the kind of stuff that an administration should do for the citizens of our country and hopefully Kamala will continue down that path. Trump would make it so banks could reach through the phone and slap you in the face.



 
lawtig02 said:
1. The legislature has never been less powerful in this country. You can thank the SCOTUS conservatives for that.

2. Trump rolled out Schedule F when he did because he was tired of getting hampered by people in the administrative state and he thought he would roll Joe in 2020. What do you think he will do if he wins in November?

3. Trump’s own administration said Schedule F could let him fire at least 50,000 civil servants, but he didn’t think he would need to do so because once he fired several thousand, the rest would fall in line.

I used to share your belief that our system would not allow a president to become a king. That seems obviously false to me now. If the system didn’t prevent a domestic terrorist like Trump from becoming the candidate again for one of our two major parties, it will not stop him from doing what he wants if he regains power.
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Where did you hear #3? Link?
 


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ZenMode said:
Where did you hear #3? Link?
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/28/trump-plan-omb-schedule-f-nteu/

Trump’s order in 2020 was supposed to be limited in scope, only applying to employees “in positions of a confidential, policy-determining, policy-making, or policy-advocating character” — a category projected to affect about 50,000 workers.

But one agency’s documents, obtained from a Freedom of Information Act request by the National Treasury Employees Union (NTEU), indicate that in fact the Trump administration’s plans were far bigger.

At its annual legislative conference Tuesday, NTEU released more than 200 pages of records it obtained demonstrating how Russell Vought, Trump’s Office of Management and Budget (OMB) director, planned to include a huge swath of his agency’s workforce in the order.

Vought “absurdly stretched the definition of policy work to cover the vast majority of the OMB workforce, from attorneys to GS-09 assistants and specialists who have nothing to do with setting government policy,” NTEU said in a statement.
 
Trump has shared this video before (like a year or so ago?) with a musty Albert Guest poem that is read to sound a bit like Boris Karloff reading How The Grinch Stole Christmas 🎅



Meanwhile, by using old clips of Trump statements and speeches this one (unintentionally, I assume) emphasizes how old he looks and sounds now, IMO.

 
Rock said:
I don't know where to put this tweet but I'm so excited about it I'm throwing it in here because this is the kind of stuff that an administration should do for the citizens of our country and hopefully Kamala will continue down that path. Trump would make it so banks could reach through the phone and slap you in the face.



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If I were king I would mandate that every government office and every place of business be required to have a real live person answer the phone
 
"... At precisely the moment when Trump needs to elevate his performance, to the degree that such a thing is even possible, he’s gone back to his most natural state: erratic, crazed, transgressive, self-indulgent, and enraged. One by-product of this is that Trump has provided no coherent or focused line of attack on Harris. His criticisms are not just vile, but witless. The prospect of not just being beaten, but being beaten by a woman of color, has sent Trump into a frenzy in a way almost nothing else could.

That the Democratic Party was rejuvenated by Biden’s withdrawal is hardly surprising. But very few people anticipated how skilled Harris has been as a presidential candidate.

It’s not simply that she’s made few missteps so far, which is itself impressive. It’s that she’s hit all the right notes, projected self-assurance, and framed the race in just the way she wants: In contrast with Trump, she is future-oriented, a change agent, at ease and joyful.

... Something else, and something quite important, has changed. The whole landscape of the campaign has been transformed. The rise of Harris instantly cast Trump in a new light. He formerly seemed more ominous and threatening, which, whatever its political drawbacks, signaled strength; now he seems not just old but low-energy, stale, even pathetic. He has become the political version of Fat Elvis.

Trump is much better equipped psychologically to withstand ferocious criticisms than he is equipped to withstand mockery. Malignant narcissists go to great lengths to hide their fears and display a false or idealized self. Criticism targets the persona. Mockery, by contrast, can tap very deep fears of being exposed as flawed or weak. When the mask is the target, people with Trump’s psychological profile know how to fight back. Mockery, though, can cause them to unravel. ..."
 
nycfan said:
"... At precisely the moment when Trump needs to elevate his performance, to the degree that such a thing is even possible, he’s gone back to his most natural state: erratic, crazed, transgressive, self-indulgent, and enraged. One by-product of this is that Trump has provided no coherent or focused line of attack on Harris. His criticisms are not just vile, but witless. The prospect of not just being beaten, but being beaten by a woman of color, has sent Trump into a frenzy in a way almost nothing else could.

That the Democratic Party was rejuvenated by Biden’s withdrawal is hardly surprising. But very few people anticipated how skilled Harris has been as a presidential candidate.

It’s not simply that she’s made few missteps so far, which is itself impressive. It’s that she’s hit all the right notes, projected self-assurance, and framed the race in just the way she wants: In contrast with Trump, she is future-oriented, a change agent, at ease and joyful.

... Something else, and something quite important, has changed. The whole landscape of the campaign has been transformed. The rise of Harris instantly cast Trump in a new light. He formerly seemed more ominous and threatening, which, whatever its political drawbacks, signaled strength; now he seems not just old but low-energy, stale, even pathetic. He has become the political version of Fat Elvis.

Trump is much better equipped psychologically to withstand ferocious criticisms than he is equipped to withstand mockery. Malignant narcissists go to great lengths to hide their fears and display a false or idealized self. Criticism targets the persona. Mockery, by contrast, can tap very deep fears of being exposed as flawed or weak. When the mask is the target, people with Trump’s psychological profile know how to fight back. Mockery, though, can cause them to unravel. ..."
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That Fat Elvis thing has legs. Maybe not for Kamala and Tim, but for their social media partners. That could be a meme that drives Trump over the edge.
 
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