2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

[EyeballKid]

Sure, that's a legitimate fear in a lot of cases when protesters are involved. What if Congress caved on Brett kavanaugh because of protesters?

There are rules, laws and amendments in place to prevent bad people from causing trouble. There were more rules put in place because of Trump and the electors situation. I would assume there will be more rules, laws and amendments put into place to address future issues, also.

The rules, laws, and amendments only work if people follow them. Our system depends on people working in good faith, following those rules, laws, and amendments to uphold democracy.

J6 and all the BS behind Trump’s fake voter fraud schemes and fake electors showed us that we’re very vulnerable to liars and bad actors. And Trump is a liar and a bad actor, in more than one way.

 

[ZenMode]

The rules, laws, and amendments only work if people follow them. Our system depends on people working in good faith, following those rules, laws, and amendments to uphold democracy.

J6 and all the BS behind Trump’s fake voter fraud schemes and fake electors showed us that we’re very vulnerable to liars and bad actors. And Trump is a liar and a bad actor, in more than one way.

Yep. Trump and his band of loons exposed areas of weakness in the process where we relied (too much) on norms and people operating in good faith. There were several laws passed to shore up those weaknesses and I'm sure there will be more. A VP could, even without a riot, decide not to certify an election, right? We need rules to account for that.

We need laws and rules to nullify public pressure like protesters/riots. That's why SCOTUS justices are appointed for life. We have the electoral college to protect us from bad actors getting into the presidency, though I think that's pretty much run its course.

All I'm saying is that the J6 rioters had no way to take over the government and force Trump back into office any more than rioters had a way to stop Kavanaugh becoming a justice.

 

[Zoo_View]

Project 2025 is the brain child of lunatics. There's exactly zero chance Trump has read a single page of that document. He's already disavowed P2025.

Again, we're talking about what has a realistic chance of happening and a president ending/ruining the country is just not going to happen.

This type of hyperbole is par for the course during election time. Republicans said that if Biden won, they'd go door to door confiscating guns, outlaw home schooling, a national mask/vaccine mandate, free healthcare for illegal immigrants... the list was long.

In 2016, a great many Republicans likely thought Trump meant what he said when he’d run the government like a business, de-regulation by the boatload, and “drain the swamp.”

After all, Trump was a “successful” businessman and “billionaire.” They thought he’d execute on what he said.

Most Republicans had little-or-no clue how incompetent and idiotic Trump is. They didn’t know how fraudulent he is.

For 2024, Republicans are banking on Trump winning AND being able to manipulate him into damn near everything they want. They are not going to wait for Trump to act. They will fill his Administration with Heritage-types.

 

[Bigs23]

Who was Zenmode on IC?

 

[Zoo_View]

You have to wonder why he made that change at the end of his first term and not the beginning.

Trump clearly likes blind loyalty and "yes" men. Beyond the people who Presidents currently appoint, how many "career officials with a political advisory role" do you think there are? I honestly have no idea, but I can't imagine there's a lot when you consider the hundreds of thousands of federal employees that exist.

The system is designed so Presidents can't be Kings. Trump can surround himself with all the yes men he wants and they can hatch all kinds of stupid ideas, but true country-ending change would have to come into existence via legislation. Legislation can only come from Congress.

Trump’s a moron with the attention span of a gnat and the competence level of the Washington Generals.

If Trump is elected in November, the worry isn’t Trump. It’s the Heritage-types who will populate the Trump Administration and fascist billionaires such as Peter Theil.

They’re preparing this time to implement Project 2025. Remember, in 2016, Trump and his campaign didn’t have a transition plan. In 2024, the GOP has a transition plan - it’s Project 2025, drawn up by the Heritage Foundation and similar right-wing think tanks.

 

[Zoo_View]

YES!!!!! this is seriously needed.

we are all absolutely effing SICK AND TIRED of shelling out boatloads of money to banks/utilities/health insurers/etc/etc and not being able to speak with an actual human to get help when problems inevitably arise.

it goes well beyond poor customer service. it is predatory BS. they don't give a crap if whatever they're selling you doesn't work or isn't serving you properly.

I’ve grown tired of saying, “Customer Service Rep” 15-20 times to the phone when calling a bank, credit card company, medical insurance, etc.

 

[superrific]

Yep. Trump and his band of loons exposed areas of weakness in the process where we relied (too much) on norms and people operating in good faith. There were several laws passed to shore up those weaknesses and I'm sure there will be more. A VP could, even without a riot, decide not to certify an election, right? We need rules to account for that.

We need laws and rules to nullify public pressure like protesters/riots. That's why SCOTUS justices are appointed for life. We have the electoral college to protect us from bad actors getting into the presidency, though I think that's pretty much run its course.

All I'm saying is that the J6 rioters had no way to take over the government and force Trump back into office any more than rioters had a way to stop Kavanaugh becoming a justice.

Who was president on J6 2021? Do you get embarrassed by such stupidity? You should.

 

[Geisterfahrer]

Project 2025 is the brain child of lunatics. There's exactly zero chance Trump has read a single page of that document. He's already disavowed P2025.

Again, we're talking about what has a realistic chance of happening and a president ending/ruining the country is just not going to happen.

This type of hyperbole is par for the course during election time. Republicans said that if Biden won, they'd go door to door confiscating guns, outlaw home schooling, a national mask/vaccine mandate, free healthcare for illegal immigrants... the list was long.

Have you ever studied Weimar Germany and the rise of the Nazis?

 

[Scientific Mapp]

Yep. Trump and his band of loons exposed areas of weakness in the process where we relied (too much) on norms and people operating in good faith. There were several laws passed to shore up those weaknesses and I'm sure there will be more. A VP could, even without a riot, decide not to certify an election, right? We need rules to account for that.

We need laws and rules to nullify public pressure like protesters/riots. That's why SCOTUS justices are appointed for life. We have the electoral college to protect us from bad actors getting into the presidency, though I think that's pretty much run its course.

All I'm saying is that the J6 rioters had no way to take over the government and force Trump back into office any more than rioters had a way to stop Kavanaugh becoming a justice.

I think you're saying the protestors had no way to take over the government just by temporarily taking over one building where the government meets, which is perfectly true.

But, "No way to force Trump back in office" is more questionable. Some of them wanted to kill Pence before he certified. What if they'd succeeded at that task while Trump was still president?

 

[ZenMode]

Who was president on J6 2021? Do you get embarrassed by such stupidity? You should.

Why would I be embarrassed? I've never voted for Trump nor was I at the Capitol or involved in the riots

 

[ZenMode]

I think you're saying the protestors had no way to take over the government just by temporarily taking over one building where the government meets, which is perfectly true.

But, "No way to force Trump back in office" is more questionable. Some of them wanted to kill Pence before he certified. What if they'd succeeded at that task while Trump was still president?

If they were able to get to Pence, then we have bigger issues.

But IF they got to him and killed him, then I'd assume that whoever is takes Pences place would certify, right?

 

[mpaer]

If they were able to get to Pence, then we have bigger issues.

But IF they got to him and killed him, then I'd assume that whoever is takes Pences place would certify, right?

Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress."
So how might that work in a divided Legislature-in less than a few weeks

 

[nycfan]

RFK Jr. disqualified from New York ballot over false residence claim, judge rules

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has been disqualified from appearing on New York's general election ballot after a judge ruled Monday that he falsely claimed a New York residence on his nominating petitions.

www.cbsnews.com

“
Independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has been disqualified from appearing on New York's general election ballot after a judge ruled Monday that he falsely claimed a New York residence on his nominating petitions, leading to their invalidation.

Judge Christina Ryba ruled that Kennedy's claim of a New York address as his "place of residence" was a "false statement," concluding that it was evident he had no plans to move back to the Empire State and said he only listed the location for political gain. Ryba's ruling is expected to be appealed by the Aug. 15 deadline. If her ruling is upheld, it would bar Kennedy from the New York ballot and potentially spark challenges in other states where he used a New York suburban address to collect signatures.

"The overwhelming credible evidence introduced at trial established that Kennedy's connections with the [New York] address existed only on paper and were maintained for the sole purpose of maintaining his voter registration and political standing in the State of New York," Ryba wrote. …”

 

[SmilingJack]

Rock

Who was Zenmode on IC?

Can't tell he/her/they appear to have their head up their own or ass or perhaps buried in Project 2025 but don't tell him/her/they.

 

[ZenMode]

Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress."
So how might that work in a divided Legislature-in less than a few weeks

Like I said, if the mob is actually able to get to Pence, which would mean that the Capitol security is even more incompetent than Secret Service at a Trump rally we have much bigger issues.

But, the process would play out as quickly as it would and the election would be certified.

 

[EyeballKid]

Like I said, if the mob is actually able to get to Pence, which would mean that the Capitol security is even more incompetent than Secret Service at a Trump rally we have much bigger issues.

But, the process would play out as quickly as it would and the election would be certified.

“As quickly as it would”? What does that even mean?

Given a divided congress, the process of seating a new VP would be long and drawn out. And Trump wouldn’t wait around for the process to play out.

 

[mpaer]

Like I said, if the mob is actually able to get to Pence, which would mean that the Capitol security is even more incompetent than Secret Service at a Trump rally we have much bigger issues.

But, the process would play out as quickly as it would and the election would be certified.

Who the hell knows what would transpire in that couple weeks............

 

[mpaer]

Nearly five years after he held a reelection rally in El Paso, Texas, Donald Trump still owes the city more than $500,000 for police coverage, trash pickup and other municipal services — and local leaders have now slapped a six-figure late fee on the ex-president’s outstanding bill.

 

[Zoo_View]

Like I said, if the mob is actually able to get to Pence, which would mean that the Capitol security is even more incompetent than Secret Service at a Trump rally we have much bigger issues.

But, the process would play out as quickly as it would and the election would be certified.

You ‘Bo-side your ass off.

Odds are you’re a Trumplican.

 

[Rock]

Tonights Daily Show was pretty good. They did a good job highlighting some of the campaign stuff Trump just trots out again. I'm about to watch the Mark Cuban interview that's the 2nd half of the show.

(starts at the campaign stuff but the preceding Willie Brown and other stuff is great)