2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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Centerpiece said:
“Boomers are fucking idiots, I mean we went from sex, drugs, and rocknroll to Fox News…”

- M. Cuban
Dude is killing right now… if he played his cards right he could be prez in 2028
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No hell no. President is not a job for a trainee. Trump has vividly demonstrated that anyone seriously running for President should have a strong resume in elected office. That includes Marc Cuban or Michelle Obama. If Cuban wants to be President he should run for Congress, Senate, or Governor first, then consider running for President.
 
Centerpiece said:
“Boomers are fucking idiots, I mean we went from sex, drugs, and rocknroll to Fox News…”

- M. Cuban
Dude is killing right now… if he played his cards right he could be prez in 2028
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I think the only way Cuban could salvage my view of him is to become a two term Democratic president. His selling of the Mavs to that Adelson ghoul …. Wtf, Mark?
 
ZenMode said:
Project 2025 is the brain child of lunatics. There's exactly zero chance Trump has read a single page of that document. He's already disavowed P2025.

Again, we're talking about what has a realistic chance of happening and a president ending/ruining the country is just not going to happen.

This type of hyperbole is par for the course during election time. Republicans said that if Biden won, they'd go door to door confiscating guns, outlaw home schooling, a national mask/vaccine mandate, free healthcare for illegal immigrants... the list was long.
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Lunatics that Trump has taken on his private plane? Or that his VP pick wrote the foreword of the chief author’s book? The Heritage Foundation is not some fringe group nobody listens to. It is the primary policy think tank of the Republican Party. If you think Trump has actually disavowed Project 2025, checkout Agenda 47 which is Trump’s policy platform. It wouldn’t pass a plagiarism check when compared to project 2025. He’s disavowed the name Project 2025 because it polls poorly.
 
UNCBAdookJD said:
Lunatics that Trump has taken on his private plane? Or that his VP pick wrote the foreword of the chief author’s book? The Heritage Foundation is not some fringe group nobody listens to. It is the primary policy think tank of the Republican Party. If you think Trump has actually disavowed Project 2025, checkout Agenda 47 which is Trump’s policy platform. It wouldn’t pass a plagiarism check when compared to project 2025. He’s disavowed the name Project 2025 because it polls poorly.
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Believe it or not, when I was in the NY Finger Lakes region during the previous two weeks, in addition to A LOT of Trump signage, I saw a house that had a pro-Project 2025 sign in front of it. It blew my mind.
 
Enigma94 said:
Your posting on issues on this site seem to all contain a variation of the HY2012 stance that Trump won't actually do what he says he wants to do. The implication is it's not as bad as it seems because he can't do it anyway. That's just letting him off the hook for the crazy stuff he says and even if he isn't able to do everything he wants, simply wanting to do it should be disqualifying enough by itself.
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In general, I think politicians are difficult to read. They tend to change their message depending on their audience and tend to talk very vaguely about topics to give themselves wiggle room. Their views can shift as quickly as the wind and they often seem to put a priority on getting and keeping their jobs over conveying their true opinions.

Trump is the politician that is the most difficult to read, at least in my lifetime. I don't think he writes speeches and even if he uses a teleprompter, he rarely follows it. He just says things; whatever comes to mind that sounds good in the moment. He'll say one thing now and say the opposite in 5 minutes.

Another reason why I don't see him as a serious threat to the country is because, yes, I probably have more faith in our system and the people running it than a lot of Democrats do. I saw research years ago that showed that one of the big differences between Republicans and Democrats was risk tolerance. When it comes to Trump, the risk seen by Democrats is so vivid and realistic that it's almost like it's already happening.
 
UNCBAdookJD said:
Lunatics that Trump has taken on his private plane? Or that his VP pick wrote the foreword of the chief author’s book? The Heritage Foundation is not some fringe group nobody listens to. It is the primary policy think tank of the Republican Party. If you think Trump has actually disavowed Project 2025, checkout Agenda 47 which is Trump’s policy platform. It wouldn’t pass a plagiarism check when compared to project 2025. He’s disavowed the name Project 2025 because it polls poorly.
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I definitely will look at Agenda 47. I've never heard of it.
 
ZenMode said:
In general, I think politicians are difficult to read. They tend to change their message depending on their audience and tend to talk very vaguely about topics to give themselves wiggle room. Their views can shift as quickly as the wind and they often seem to put a priority on getting and keeping their jobs over conveying their true opinions.

Trump is the politician that is the most difficult to read, at least in my lifetime. I don't think he writes speeches and even if he uses a teleprompter, he rarely follows it. He just says things; whatever comes to mind that sounds good in the moment. He'll say one thing now and say the opposite in 5 minutes.

Another reason why I don't see him as a serious threat to the country is because, yes, I probably have more faith in our system and the people running it than a lot of Democrats do. I saw research years ago that showed that one of the big differences between Republicans and Democrats was risk tolerance. When it comes to Trump, the risk seen by Democrats is so vivid and realistic that it's almost like it's already happening.
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This is beyond stupid.

Trump is exceedingly transparent in his motives and thought process. His only goals are more power, more crowds, more adoration, more money. He’s pure ego, no self-reflection.


He has zero respect for democratic norms, laws, honesty, fair play, etc. This is obvious to anyone who’s been paying attention over the course of his life.

He doesn’t give a shit about actual policies or processes to enact laws that benefit the US populace. He’s much too dumb and not intellectually curious enough to try to learn about international and national issues. Instead, he enjoys the photo op of signing a bill, or the spotlight of being on stage with other world leaders.

This is why he might say one thing today and another tomorrow.

You’re purposefully ignoring J6, Trumpism, various Trump court cases, and recent Supreme Court decisions that have brought into stark relief the dangers we face.

This isn’t like Rs constantly whining about SOsHUlISM!!!!111.
 
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UNCBAdookJD said:
Lunatics that Trump has taken on his private plane? Or that his VP pick wrote the foreword of the chief author’s book? The Heritage Foundation is not some fringe group nobody listens to. It is the primary policy think tank of the Republican Party. If you think Trump has actually disavowed Project 2025, checkout Agenda 47 which is Trump’s policy platform. It wouldn’t pass a plagiarism check when compared to project 2025. He’s disavowed the name Project 2025 because it polls poorly.
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Puhleez… don’t mess with the boys zen vibe. The Zen dude abides! 🤪 haha
 
ZenMode said:
In general, I think politicians are difficult to read. They tend to change their message depending on their audience and tend to talk very vaguely about topics to give themselves wiggle room. Their views can shift as quickly as the wind and they often seem to put a priority on getting and keeping their jobs over conveying their true opinions.

Trump is the politician that is the most difficult to read, at least in my lifetime. I don't think he writes speeches and even if he uses a teleprompter, he rarely follows it. He just says things; whatever comes to mind that sounds good in the moment. He'll say one thing now and say the opposite in 5 minutes.

Another reason why I don't see him as a serious threat to the country is because, yes, I probably have more faith in our system and the people running it than a lot of Democrats do. I saw research years ago that showed that one of the big differences between Republicans and Democrats was risk tolerance. When it comes to Trump, the risk seen by Democrats is so vivid and realistic that it's almost like it's already happening.
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Trump is “difficult to read”? Ha! Dude… now we KNOW you’re blowing smoke up our arse.
 
Zoo_View said:
You must be paying A LOT of attention to Trump.
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I mean the guy says Trump is “difficult to read” but he’s never even heard of Agenda 47?
Would put him on ignore but I’ll keep him around like my cat does a mouse… keep it alive just long enough to play with it some more. Then put the hammer down when the amusement factor has played out… right now zendude is funny as hell.
 
farce said:
No hell no. President is not a job for a trainee. Trump has vividly demonstrated that anyone seriously running for President should have a strong resume in elected office. That includes Marc Cuban or Michelle Obama. If Cuban wants to be President he should run for Congress, Senate, or Governor first, then consider running for President.
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I generally agree with you but Michelle Obama's eight years as first lady is probably better training/experience for being POTUS than any job other than President itself.
 
ZenMode said:
Project 2025 is the brain child of lunatics. There's exactly zero chance Trump has read a single page of that document. He's already disavowed P2025.

Again, we're talking about what has a realistic chance of happening and a president ending/ruining the country is just not going to happen.

This type of hyperbole is par for the course during election time. Republicans said that if Biden won, they'd go door to door confiscating guns, outlaw home schooling, a national mask/vaccine mandate, free healthcare for illegal immigrants... the list was long.
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The difference, of course, is that Project 2025 is a detailed, several hundred page manifesto, written by a number of people who have had prominent roles in Trump's campaign and administration (many of whom will likely be part of a second Trump administration) setting out an actual plan to do these things, whereas "Democrats will go door to door confiscating guns" was completely made up out of thin air. There is no false equivalency here.

Not to mention that while Trump may not have read the Project 2025 manifesto, and says he disavows it, he routinely voices his support of things stated in the manifesto (like eliminating the Department of Education, massive deportation and limiting the flow of immigrants, etc).
 
Zoo_View said:
You ‘Bo-side your ass off.

Odds are you’re a Trumplican.
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Comes onto board, insists that he's not a Trumper and won't vote for him, yet downplays nearly everything negative Trump has said or done in nearly every post, and insists that the Democrats are the same with little to no actual evidence. Sounds like the typical "I'm not a Trumper but I secretly vote for him" type of poster that we used to see all the time over at the old ZZLP.
 
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Rock said:
Tonights Daily Show was pretty good. They did a good job highlighting some of the campaign stuff Trump just trots out again. I'm about to watch the Mark Cuban interview that's the 2nd half of the show.

(starts at the campaign stuff but the preceding Willie Brown and other stuff is great)
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I don't think there's been a time in American history in which a presidential candidate so clearly and desperately and openly wants a departed candidate to return to the race because, as he openly states, he thinks he can beat that candidate, with the obvious implication that he's not confident at all of beating his current opponent. It's simply pathetic in a way.
 
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