2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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Calheel said:
The point is that you have to deal with the electorate as it is, not as it should be. Those voters may be dumb, but you still have to convince them to vote for you. Campaigns are all about threading common themes through disparate voters.
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None of that changes the fact that if they withhold their votes and Trump wins and he makes their lives measurably worse then they are in fact dumb and deserving of derision.
 
so how does she convince the left wing idealists (the ones who apparently don't possess even a smidgeon of pragmatism) while also not upsetting the bucket with the moderates, never trump republicans and independents who are leaning her way?

the first group are the ones who frankly shouldn't need as much convincing.
 
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Calheel said:
You can blame all you won’t but the goal of a campaign is to win, not to blame people after you lose.
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True, but sometimes the support of one group costs you the support of a larger one. Or at least the concessions you have to make to the pariah group hurt you in the long run. This is why primaries hurt candidates. Indeed, we're seeing some of that with Kamala now.

And ideally, the pariah group recognizes this. It votes for blue no matter who (or, in the case of Pubs, vote red even if they want you dead), and then tries to work behind the scenes to get what it wants.

The pariah groups who think they are the majority -- like extreme MAGA or defund the police types -- are never going to get more than derision and/or marginalization. Which in some cases is what they want. But probably not in the case of those who are upset about Gaza.
 
Is this the new shiny object that the media will chase for the next week or two ?

<fingers crossed>

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Fox News cuts away from J.D. Vance rally after he refuses to say Trump lost in 2020

Fox News abruptly ended its broadcast of Sen. J.D. Vance's (R-OH) rally in Michigan after he refused to admit that former President Donald Trump lost the 2020 election.At a Wednesday rally in Auburn Hills, Vance was asked why he dodged a question about the 2020 election at Tuesday night's vice...
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aGDevil2k said:
He can't imagine people hate him like we do
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To be fair it's not just him, it's his cult followers too. I still see plenty of "2020 Was Stolen" or similarly worded Trump flags and signs around, some people have had them hanging for nearly four years. They simply refuse to believe that they are only a minority percentage of the electorate. They are convinced that they make up the "silent majority" of "Real Americans" and therefore a Trump defeat simply cannot happen unless the wicked Democrats steal the election, as surely happened in 2020 even though they couldn't prove it and there's not a shred of evidence to prove it. And if Dear Leader loses in November they'll be in the same state of denial even if he loses by a larger margin, as is definitely possible.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
To be fair it's not just him, it's his cult followers too. I still see plenty of "2020 Was Stolen" or similarly worded Trump flags and signs around, some people have had them hanging for nearly four years. They simply refuse to believe that they are only a minority percentage of the electorate. They are convinced that they make up the "silent majority" of "Real Americans" and therefore a Trump defeat simply cannot happen unless the wicked Democrats steal the election, as surely happened in 2020 even though they couldn't prove it and there's not a shred of evidence to prove it. And if Dear Leader loses in November they'll be in the same state of denial even if he loses by a larger margin, as is definitely possible.
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It's effective. I see that same fear of the silent MAGA permeate some folks here at times
 
Calheel said:
Maybe. And if you can get the Republican nomination, you have 45% of the electorate locked up.

That said, a whole lot of people thought they would be the next Trump 2.0, and so far, no one else has been able to claim the mantle.

If Trump wins, then JD Vance is in the pole position. If Trump loses, it’s hard to imagine the Pubs will want to go down the businessman route again.

Not to mention he’d need a constitutional amendment in order to run.
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Good point, I somehow always forget he's not US born. But I think Elon sees himself more as Trump's successor in the kingmaker realm... not so much as being the king himself. With Twitter as his platform, he thinks he can take Trump's place as the person who makes or breaks Republican candidates... that they will all have to come kiss his ring after Trump is gone.
 
NYCBlueBlood said:
Good point, I somehow always forget he's not US born. But I think Elon sees himself more as Trump's successor in the kingmaker realm... not so much as being the king himself. With Twitter as his platform, he thinks he can take Trump's place as the person who makes or breaks Republican candidates... that they will all have to come kiss his ring after Trump is gone.
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I still think hes scared of crimes hes committed and only Trump can save him. Wait till he starts saying he'll be jailed if Harris wins, its coming.
 
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