2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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heelinhell said:
Should Trump win next week, historians will record that this was the year that Americans repudiated their democratic democracy in favor of the establishment of a fascist autocracy
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One of the reasons that some people (like leftists) get fed up with trying to enact change within the existing political system is that throughout history, people will (mind-bogglingly) choose reactionary, repressive, autocratic governance over democracy and liberty, for a variety of reasons. I very much understand that frustration, even if I often very much disagree with their conclusions (i.e. that we just need to burn the whole thing down and start over).
 
rodoheel said:
First of all, I have a very low opinion of the electorate. Something like 80 million people are about to vote for Donald Trump. As I said: if you try to spend one minute inside the head of a low-propensity voter, or an "undecided" voter, you will go insane. You certainly will not find anything rational. Low-propensity voters are now heavily Trump leaning. Anything that risks turning out any of them who can barely muster the energy to vote is bad.

Second of all, even if you don't think the remark itself will directly change a single vote, it is going to divert a ton of campaign attention over the next week. Biden had to immediately backtrack from it. Walz has had to defend it. Josh Shapiro has had to defend it. Every major dem surrogate will be asked about it multiple times over the next few days. That is time and energy that should be spent on the messaging the campaign wants to get out. Instead it's spent explaining this away.

There is a reason Trumpworld is going into hyperdrive messaging over this. Of course they're craven hypocrites. Of course they're grievance politics grifters and grubbers whose attempts to appropriate victimhood for themselves and their supporters are laughable. Of course most normie voters will roll their eyes at this. But in a close election, at this stage of the game, anything that drives the campaign off message and into defensive mode is a bad thing. I'm not telling you to wring your hands about it over the next few days but refusing to acknowledge the possibility that it is a real thing that hurts the campaign is foolish.
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Bullshit. it's already died down.
 
Zoo_View said:
NPR led off their 10:00 am and 11:00 am top-of-the-hour news reports with Biden’s gaffe reporting that he’d called Trump supporters garbage and that Harris had to disavow Biden’s comments.

NPR does yeoman’s work this election cycle ‘Bo-siding and sane-washing.
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And this is why I, a near daily listener for many years, more or less stopped listening to them.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
The last 24-48 hours has shown everyone that the main reason Americans can’t come together is because of the media.

A comedian tells a joke that doesn’t do well and is mainly booed. Trump disavows the next day. Endless coverage of how this shows he is racist. There are plenty of examples of his racism. That is not one of them.

The president gets spun up about the remark and says oh yeah? Only trash thing is those guys! He immediately wishes he hadn’t said it. Endless coverage of how this show the Democrats hate Republicans.

We are kind of screwed because the country won’t ever get a timeout as long as the media does this and there’s no incentive to stop.
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In what world did Trump disavow the comments? All he said is he never heard the joke, doesn’t know the comedian, and Puerto Rican people kiss him wherever he goes.
 
rodoheel said:
Anyone who thinks this won't potentially change some votes is naive. Don't try to assume that undecided or low-propensity voters act rationally. I hope it won't have a large effect, but to assume that it is irrelevant and can't matter at all is just the purest form of hopium. it's a stupid unforced error that Republicans will work hard to keep in the news cycle for the next week and is causing numerous campaign surrogates to have to spend time defending instead of focusing on message,
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Disagree with pretty much all of this.

It’s not going to change any votes. It may reaffirm those that were already going to vote for Trump, but that’s it.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
The last 24-48 hours has shown everyone that the main reason Americans can’t come together is because of the media.

A comedian tells a joke that doesn’t do well and is mainly booed. Trump disavows the next day. Endless coverage of how this shows he is racist. There are plenty of examples of his racism. That is not one of them.

The president gets spun up about the remark and says oh yeah? Only trash thing is those guys! He immediately wishes he hadn’t said it. Endless coverage of how this show the Democrats hate Republicans.

We are kind of screwed because the country won’t ever get a timeout as long as the media does this and there’s no incentive to stop.
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His campaign APPROVED the "joke"
 
This Biden gaffe is a nothingburger of a high magnitude. MAGA get this "they hate you" nonsense mainlined daily. This doesn't move the needle.

And the most significant thing happening right now in American politics is not occurring on mainstream media, or even English speaking media.
 
Trump is having a rally about 10 blocks from my house in Rocky Mount. I'm staying home and out of trouble. But I can't wait to hear him brag about the large crowd because it's a pretty small venue.
 
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DiehardHeelFan said:
1. Thankful and eternally grateful for everything Biden has done. Brought us out of both the Covid pandemic, both with regards to health and financial, and ushered us out of the Trump presidency despite all of Trump’s attempts to subvert democracy.
2. His comment was clumsy, benign but most of all true.
3. With that said, please don’t make anymore comments. We get what you mean and understand and agree. But Trump was taking a standing 8 count after the MSG racism, and Kamala’s speech was knocking him down again. The comment has given them a small out. We can say this will only resonate with MAGA, but at the gym this morning, every single tv that was set to news was talking about Biden’s garbage comment. Not Kamala’s great speech in front of a bigly crowd and not Trump’s MSG rally. All Biden and garbage. I get Joe wants to be present and it really was relatively benign, but it has charged the news cycle. And the press is all about giving Trump a pass on his day in day out chaos and focusing on the minutiae of the Harris campaign. Last thing you want to do is throw them, and Trump, softballs. <\vent>
4. Let’s get more coverage of Kamala in Raleigh and Charlotte and surrogates elsewhere and get the news cycle back! 😀
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It really makes one question the media, other than fox, if this was the top story over the actual presidential rallies.
 
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