A Disturbing Email

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Do we know the age of "Claire"?
Actions that could be viewed as enticing an underage kid away from home could result in some unwanted repercussions..
What about the Mom? Where's her head at on this?
What is the OP's existing relationship with the kid like?
Too many questions for me.....
 
Calvinism is self consistent and not Biblically consistent. The book of James pretty thoroughly debunks by faith alone. It's worth noting that the only major book of the Bible he didn't write a commentary on is Revelation.

Foolish to begin with to listen to a lawyer about religion. They can't stop looking for loopholes.
 
finesse said:
Calvinism is self consistent and not Biblically consistent. The book of James pretty thoroughly debunks by faith alone. It's worth noting that the only major book of the Bible he didn't write a commentary on is Revelation.

Foolish to begin with to listen to a lawyer about religion. They can't stop looking for loopholes.
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Are you talking about me or the OP's friend?

I probably should have said post-Calvinist, but anyway, I'm not endorsing anything. I just think literalist Catholicism is just lunacy. Maybe it will seem less crazy if I were to read more about it, which is not high on my priority list.
 
superrific said:
Are you talking about me or the OP's friend?

I probably should have said post-Calvinist, but anyway, I'm not endorsing anything. I just think literalist Catholicism is just lunacy. Maybe it will seem less crazy if I were to read more about it, which is not high on my priority list.
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No. Calvin was a lawyer

Education
Calvin was trained as a humanist lawyer, studying at the University of Paris and the University of Orléans. He received his Doctor of Law degree in 1532.
 
Centerpiece said:
But face it, you sort of started it with your email to him. He simply told you where he stands. Believe him at his word. He admitted that you won’t see eye to eye, and he did give warning: “rant coming”.
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This is correct - you did crack the door open with your response, and he in turn kicked the door down with how he responded back to you. Just be a friend - let him know that you're there for him and go from there and leave politics out of it.
 
superrific said:
Well, now we agree that neither one of us really knows what is going on there. So, maybe the best thing to do is not to judge people without knowing the situation. Maybe instead of saying that people shouldn't let politics come between their friendships, you could say that it is sad that it happens this way. Or wish people the best as they try to navigate their circumstances. Or maybe say nothing at all.

I'm not going to discuss this any further, especially not on this thread. My point has been made. It is in fact acceptable and even required in some cases to end friendships over things you characterize as politics. We don't have to try to be the arbiters of what is and isn't acceptable.

The OP asked for some thoughts and perhaps advice. He didn't ask for a freewheeling condemnation of people trying to navigate our political hell the best they can. He didn't ask for the thread to be derailed into silly musings. I think we've done enough already.
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Hold on.... my original comment, expressing shock, was based on the responses to the OP. Based on what was posted in the OP, I think we can safely say the tone was polite and friendly.

The topic expanded to a more general discussion about friendship and politics.

For the record, I'm not trying to arbitrate. I just gave an opinion.
 
BubbaOtis said:
Do we know the age of "Claire"?
Actions that could be viewed as enticing an underage kid away from home could result in some unwanted repercussions..
What about the Mom? Where's her head at on this?
What is the OP's existing relationship with the kid like?
Too many questions for me.....
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I didn't respond to Zoo_View's suggestion, but I'd say there are all kinds of issues with luring minors away from their parents. I mean, why not just buy a bag of candy, a van and spray paint the windows.
 
BoonetheAiredale said:
Don't know that politics enters into this statement:

All this being said, there has been so much damage done that I agree with you - I am apprehensive as well. While I believe that the mainstream media has built a caricature image of Donald Trump, he is not a savior. The Deep State is extremely entrenched in this country, and one man cannot root it out. This country is now far from God and Jesus Christ, who is our real Savior. I think Satan's influence is unprecedented--and that we are in a worse situation than before the Flood. The massive debt that this country has run up (and built in both Democratic and Republican administrations - and Trump does not seem to be too bothered by it) I think will have disastrous consequences. (Just think of all the hashing and rehashing topics I have just raised.)

If your world view has that the current state of the earth has more Satanic influence in it than before the Flood, and you are actively dismissing centuries of slavery or the extermination of the Jews, or the Chinese cultural revolution, or World Wars as having less satanic influence (given that you believe Satan is actively working in the world) then you and I, friends or not, are living foundationally different realities. I would be unclear on what shared experience or morals or beliefs our friendship resides.
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Well, they elected the anti-christ, so it seems pretty satanic.

Though I don't believe there is a satan or the opposite. 😁
 
ZenMode said:
I didn't respond to Zoo_View's suggestion, but I'd say there are all kinds of issues with luring minors away from their parents. I mean, why not just buy a bag of candy, a van and spray paint the windows.
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Luring? Did you use that word on purpose for the negative connotation?

I don't believe Zoo mentioned luring the girl away.

The exact quote is: "Offer Claire a loving home."

I don't believe he is talking about what you are talking about. It's actually sort of sick that you take the offering of a safe haven for someone that may be experiencing issues in their current living situation to be equal to predatory abduction.
 
UNCatTech said:
Luring? Did you use that word on purpose for the negative connotation?

I don't believe Zoo mentioned luring the girl away.

The exact quote is: "Offer Claire a loving home."

I don't believe he is talking about what you are talking about. It's actually sort of sick that you take the offering of a safe haven for someone that may be experiencing issues in their current living situation to be equal to predatory abduction.
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He seemed to imply getting the girl and her siblings to leave their home and go to the home of the poster.
 
ZenMode said:
There are a wide range of topics for disagreement. Clear infringement on basically every human right, slavery, is one end of that range. I've never heard any MAGA people supporting slavery.

Many of the primary areas of political disagreement are much more nuanced and both sides (yep, I said it) have valid concerns IF people take the time to try to listen to what is being said. Their concerns are sometimes based in lies that they've been convinced are true but, in their mind, they often believe they are doing what's right for the country.
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If you've never seen anyone MAGA support slavery, remind me to introduce you to the Republican nominee in 2024 for Governor of the State of North Carolina.

“Slavery is not bad. Some people need to be slaves. I wish they would bring it (slavery) back. I would certainly buy a few,"
--Mark Robinson

He received 2.2 Million votes from North Carolinians after that was widely published.

Let's not pretend there isn't wide support for a lot of grotesque shit with the MAGA crowd.
 
05C40 said:
Stay in your friend's life. Agree on the things you agree upon. Ignore/don't bring up the things you disagree upon. The love for a child is a powerful force that can change people in ways they would have deemed unimaginable, but for the love of a child. Be ready with a lot of support and zero "I told you so's" when he decides that he loves his child more than he loves some transitory political ideology.
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While we obviuously only have a tiny amount of information, that didn't read like a guy that was going to pick his child over some transitory political ideology. It sounded like a guy about to pick his political ideology over some transitory relationship with his kid.

"Sucked in by the political correctness of the culture. I do not agree with it, but do my best to maintain peace in the family as she still lives with us"

Those are the words of a guy who is running out the clock.
 
Lando said:
While we obviuously only have a tiny amount of information, that didn't read like a guy that was going to pick his child over some transitory political ideology. It sounded like a guy about to pick his political ideology over some transitory relationship with his kid.

"Sucked in by the political correctness of the culture. I do not agree with it, but do my best to maintain peace in the family as she still lives with us"

Those are the words of a guy who is running out the clock.
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We will have to agree to disagree about the transformative power that love for one's own children can have on even those who are the most adverse to our own political and societal opinions.
 
05C40 said:
We will have to agree to disagree about the transformative power that love for one's own children can have on even those who are the most adverse to our own political and societal opinions.
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That love can exist. Seen too many child abuse stats to believe it's a given. Hell, pray away the gay and such stuff isn't even considered child abuse by some people.
 
05C40 said:
We will have to agree to disagree about the transformative power that love for one's own children can have on even those who are the most adverse to our own political and societal opinions.
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When does this inevitable transformation take place?
 
Lando said:
When does this inevitable transformation take place?
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It doesn't always happen. But I have seen over and over a person's personal political beliefs--that are entirely hypothetical--crumble in the face of the reality of the impact those hypothetical beliefs have on their own children. When it's happening to someone else, it's easy to spout nonsense. When it's happening to those we know and love, it can be transformative. Not always, some are so consumed by hate that they cannot be redeemed even by their own children.
 
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