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[ZenMode]

far-reaching generalizations aren't slowed by details....

 

[Calheel]

I think there’s a good chance there could be two gay guys at or near the tops of their respective tickets in 2028- Buttigieg and Vance.

2028 will be a Biden cycle - ie someone perceived as safe. Don’t see the dems nominating any kind of minority in 2028. I think even Jewish would be too risky.

 

[ZenMode]

I think there’s a good chance there could be two gay guys at or near the tops of their respective tickets in 2028- Buttigieg and Vance.

Vance?

Objectophiliacs are individuals who experience sexual or romantic attraction to inanimate objects. This attraction can be a strong emotional and romantic bond with specific objects like buildings, trains, or even abstract concepts. It's not the same as fetishism, where attraction is to a class of objects, but rather a focused attraction to a particular, unique object.

 

[rodoheel]

I had no idea there were so many leftists who were also Hamas loving/Jew hating individuals until Oct 7.

Have you met a single person in real life who says they support Hamas? Or is this just based on LibsofTikTok's Twitter feed?

 

[Calheel]

Have you met a single person in real life who says they support Hamas? Or is this just based on LibsofTikTok's Twitter feed?

In fairness, he may not have met a single person in real life who SAYS he supports the KKK, either. People tend not to admit those things. That said, I am confident Ramrouser has lots of KKK supporters in his orbit.

 

[4thgenheel]

far-reaching generalizations aren't slowed by details....

not picking up what you're putting down here.

you called a jewish person "jew hating." laughable and obscene. hopefully it was tongue in cheek and you were mocking the right a bit?

anti-israel =/= anti-jew.

 

[4thgenheel]

Vance?

Objectophiliacs are individuals who experience sexual or romantic attraction to inanimate objects. This attraction can be a strong emotional and romantic bond with specific objects like buildings, trains, or even abstract concepts. It's not the same as fetishism, where attraction is to a class of objects, but rather a focused attraction to a particular, unique object.

 

[superrific]

You need to ask your side to explain it as I see a whole lotta people today who are hard left/Marxists - i.e. Mamdani supporters - wearing keffiyehs and banging pots in the streets shouting "From the River to the Sea" - who support Hamas. The two groups have inexplicably merged. You also see Queers for Palestine signs at rallies. What on earth do the LGBTQ community and Hamas have in common? I have no idea why the left and Hamas/anti semites have joined forces but they have. My guess is that they've swallowed whole this Oppressor/Oppressed doctrine taught in Universities so they now consider Israel/Jews the oppressors and Hamas as the oppressed - so now the Jews are the bad guy colonizers.

I had no idea there were so many leftists who were also Hamas loving/Jew hating individuals until Oct 7.

So in other words, you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. I asked you a simple question and instead of answering it, you went on a random digression.

When you say, "I have no idea why", that should be a signal to first ask, "is this actually happening." And since you have no evidence at all -- sorry, clipped images on Fox is not data and not even close -- and you're relying on assumptions about who votes for Mamdani (it's not just hard-left people), and you're somehow treating NYC mayoral politics as nationally predictive, I'd say that you are . . . full of shit, as usual.

Explain what being pro-Hamas looks like in terms of policy positions? That means you have to identify something different in pro-Hamas ideology than non-Hamas ideology. If everyone is for happiness, and party X is for happiness, it doesn't mean that everyone who is for happiness is also for Party X.

Now explain what being Marxist looks like in terms of policy positions. Again, you have to avoid the logical fallacy into which you usually step.

Now explain hard left.

See the problem, here?

 

[rodoheel]

In fairness, he may not have met a single person in real life who SAYS he supports the KKK, either. People tend not to admit those things. That said, I am confident Ramrouser has lots of KKK supporters in his orbit.

I'm happy to revise to "a single person in real life who you believe to be a Hamas supporter." I really doubt it's going to change the answer to my question.

 

[superrific]

As you are fully aware, the Democratic Party is not going to label their policies Marxist as that term is toxic (for now). There is no question the Party is headed squarely in that direction. Mamdani is well on his way of becoming the Mayor of the country's most important city. He openly advocates for owning the means of production - city run subsidized grocery stores, freezing the rent, nationalizing all utility companies, free bus services, free childcare, free baby baskets, eliminating billionaires, massive tax increases on the "rich", etc. This on top of supporting defunding the police and spending 65M on gender affirming care.

Of course, he uses the term "Democratic Socialist" to seem less scary - more Scandinavian like. So, you'll need to wait on those links until the hard left wins the Presidential nomination and modifies the Party platform - around the summer of 2028.

1. Mamdani is a single guy who has no pull with the party. Spare us the bullshit.
2. Mamdani doesn't advocate for most of that bullshit. Nationalizing utility companies? How the fuck would be able to do that as mayor of NYC? Eliminating billionaires? Defunding the police? I mean, what the fuck are you talking about?

Have you ever noticed how little actual content is in your posts? Contrast that with mine, and ask yourself -- are my posts nearly infinitely more popular than yours because liberal/conservative? Or is it that I provide content, knowledgeable explanations, and no bullshit while you provide nearly pure mendacity and ignorance?

 

[HeelYeah2012]

You need to ask your side to explain it as I see a whole lotta people today who are hard left/Marxists - i.e. Mamdani supporters - wearing keffiyehs and banging pots in the streets shouting "From the River to the Sea" - who support Hamas. The two groups have inexplicably merged. You also see Queers for Palestine signs at rallies. What on earth do the LGBTQ community and Hamas have in common? I have no idea why the left and Hamas/anti semites have joined forces but they have. My guess is that they've swallowed whole this Oppressor/Oppressed doctrine taught in Universities so they now consider Israel/Jews the oppressors and Hamas as the oppressed - so now the Jews are the bad guy colonizers.

I had no idea there were so many leftists who were also Hamas loving/Jew hating individuals until Oct 7.

Yeah, it has been hilarious to watch the alignment unfold between the white, liberal LGBTQIA+ community and Hamas, lol. They have so much in common!

 

[Zoo_View]

lmao wut?!

bernie sanders IS jewish.

What he’s not is a Democrat.

 

[sringwal]

While I think it has a good shot of happening, I don’t think the odds are 50%. I’ll take that bet - but I’ll wait until 2028 to deposit the funds.

Bet is with Ram, only. And I am also not certain that it is a 50/50 odds, so it’s potentially a good bet for him to make.

 

[4thgenheel]

What he’s not is a Democrat.

neither am i but we can identify with them a lot more so than we can the right.

 

[HeelYeah2012]

Have you met a single person in real life who says they support Hamas? Or is this just based on LibsofTikTok's Twitter feed?

Even just taking the UNC protest that happened in recent years, those protests were organized by “Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP)”. SJP is absolutely pro-Hamas. National SJP described Hamas' actions on October 7 as a “historic win for Palestinian resistance" and a “strategic counteroffensive against their settler-colonial oppressor”.

So yeah, if you are attending a protest organized by a pro-Hamas group, it’s fair to label you as pro-Hamas and pro-terrorism.

Obviously, many of the individuals attending such protests wouldn’t say they are actually pro-terrorism if polled. They’ve just been brainwashed by left wing propaganda about Israel vs Hamas and they think Israel is an oppressor and Hamas is oppressed.

 

[milom98]

I don't doubt you see a "whole lotta" those people. That's what happens when you spend your life in a right wing media bubble. It has no resemblance to the real world, but they sure have done a great job getting people like you riled up.

I don't think I've ever advocated for a person to be banned but I'm willing to make an exception for Ram. It's got nothing to do with different political views.... It's that he comes here with his right wing fever swamp talking points and never provides links to back up his accusations... It's always a - here's what I'm seeing/hearing and you have to take my word for it. Hey Ram, if you don't know how to share the information you're consuming, just ask and I'm sure someone would be more than happy to assist you.

And I honestly thought that there was a board rule or at least a general rule to prevent stuff like that from happening over and over and over.

 

[ZenMode]

not picking up what you're putting down here.

you called a jewish person "jew hating." laughable and obscene. hopefully it was tongue in cheek and you were mocking the right a bit?

anti-israel =/= anti-jew.

I was saying that the existence of Bernie, Mamdani and Tlaib allows the Right, in their minds, to paint the entire Dem party as jew-hating, socialist, Communist, terrorist supporters.

The fact that Bernie IS Jewish is a detail that is irrelevant to those who want to make broad generalizations.

"hopefully it was tongue in cheek and you were mocking the right a bit?"

correct.

 

[rodoheel]

Even just taking the UNC protest that happened in recent years, those protests were organized by “Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP)”. SJP is absolutely pro-Hamas.

So yeah, if you are attending a protest organized by a pro-Hamas group, it’s fair to label you as pro-Hamas and pro-terrorism.

Obviously, many of the individuals attending such protests wouldn’t say they are actually pro-terrorism if polled. They’ve just been brainwashed by left wing propaganda about Israel vs Hamas and they think Israel is an oppressor and Hamas is oppressed.

I don't personally know anyone in Students for Justice in Palestine (and suspect you don't either) so I won't speak for their views about Hamas. But the problem with critiques like this is that they make no attempt to distinguish between pro-Palestinian and pro-Hamas. I think there are a lot more people who are pro-Palestinian but still condemn Hamas than people who support Hamas. They may all agree that Israel is an "oppressor" but they would call Palestinians, not Hamas, the oppressed. And certainly I don't think holding the view that Israel is an "oppressor" can in any way be equated with supporting terrorism (though Netanyahu and his allies certainly would argue that).

As for the logic of "if you show up at the protest then you agree with all the organizer's views" - I assume you would apply the same logic to, for example, the "unite the Right" protest in Charlottesville that was organized by white supremacists? (Incidentally, the organizers of that rally also hate Israel!)

 

[farce©]

Bigger problem for Dems. Your assertions center around one man in the Party - who's proven to have a teflon veneer which can easily withstand accusations and cheep shots from the media/libs.

The Dems problem is structural in that the base of the party is moving hard left/Marxist/Hammas. That's where the energy lies.

The fun part begins with the Dem 2028 primary which will be the first primary since 2008 which will be open and largely free from the reigns of the Party Bosses (rank and file won't accept another heavy handed primary). Therefore, the Party Bosses will not be able to keep a hard left candidate from winning the way they did with Bernie. The rank and file are going to get who they want finally. That's going to be someone from the hard left.

No way a straight, Southern, Christian moderate like Beshear gets through a Dem primary in 2027/28.

You are either a fool or a troll. Or both.

 

[superrific]

Even just taking the UNC protest that happened in recent years, those protests were organized by “Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP)”. SJP is absolutely pro-Hamas. National SJP described Hamas' actions on October 7 as a “historic win for Palestinian resistance" and a “strategic counteroffensive against their settler-colonial oppressor”.

So yeah, if you are attending a protest organized by a pro-Hamas group, it’s fair to label you as pro-Hamas and pro-terrorism.

Obviously, many of the individuals attending such protests wouldn’t say they are actually pro-terrorism if polled. They’ve just been brainwashed by left wing propaganda about Israel vs Hamas and they think Israel is an oppressor and Hamas is oppressed.

Yes. Everyone here condemned SJP. I know I did. I was sickened when I saw what they were posting. They probably number about 1000-2000 hard core members nationally. I have no idea what % of them are leftists. Probably some, but definitely not all.

In no way shape or form does participation in an event hosted by a group mean that the person endorses every aspect of the group. When you vote GOP, does that mean you endorse every single thing that Trump does? Does your vote mean that you think all white-collar criminals who Trump likes or who gives him money should get pardoned? That would be weird. What it does mean is that, if you disagree with the pardons, you give that lawlessness less priority in your voting than it ought to have, in my view at least. I also think it was your view not that long ago, but I digress.

Of all the people to be clamoring to lump peace protesters in with Hamas just because some organization sponsored an event, maybe it shouldn't the guy who likes to proclaim that he votes GOP because he doesn't like the Dems but by no means agrees with everything the GOP does.