As a 76 YO white Christian

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finesse said:
Having the only god instead of the strongest sure made that lesser and subhuman thing easier to swallow.
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Does it though?

I think humans can do the lesser and subhuman thing quite well regardless of their religion or politics. Aztecs, Chinese, Genghis Khan, WW2 Japanese, Stalin etc were able to to justify their crimes against the "other" just fine without monotheism.
 
TarSpiel said:
Yea, but I think people do equally horrible things without organized religion.

It just seems a bit of a red herring to me to make organized religion out to be the *cause* of what's wrong with us.
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Religion has directly or indirectly caused the death(s) of more people than anything else in the history of humanity. We would all be better off without it.
 
4heels4evr said:
how can I justify the evangelical Christians voting for president who a judge has stated is guilty of Rape, tried to overthrow our constitutional government, and all the other stuff he has done and said about groups of people. How could a Gracious God allow this to happen with all the love of the Christian Right? HOW?
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As opposed to further erosion of Christianity in the US. Do you think harris was going to champion Christian values?
 
BlueSteel said:
I've been thinking of asking my pastor exactly this. Genuinely curious what the reasoning might be. And I'm pretty certain my entire congregation (not to mention everyone at my childrens' Christian school) voted for Trump. How can any true Christian justify this??
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This seems simple to me. Which candidate would do more to propagate the values of Christianity in our society? It isn't complicated. It's simply a choice. either harris is going to do more for Christianity or trump is. trump sucks and is mean but Christianity will grow under him and that is what's important Or, Her side would like to kill christianity altogether as a part of our society. Its the most elementary decision possible.
 
Callatoroy said:
This seems simple to me. Which candidate would do more to propagate the values of Christianity in our society? It isn't complicated. It's simply a choice. either harris is going to do more for Christianity or trump is. trump sucks and is mean but Christianity will grow under him and that is what's important Or, Her side would like to kill christianity altogether as a part of our society. Its the most elementary decision possible.
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Christianity isn't going to grow under Trump, and it didn't in his first administration. The truth is that church attendance is steadily declining in the USA and has been for decades. And that includes conservative Evangelical and Catholic churches too. For example, the membership of the Southern Baptist Convention is at its lowest since the late 1970s. Your assumption that liberals want to "kill" Christianity is literally absurd, and that Trump will save it is equally ridiculous. Trump isn't propagating Christianity, he's the antithesis of it. Church attendance is going to continue to decline even with Dear Leader in office.
 
mpaer said:
No clue what you are talking about
Feed the poor
Comfort the oppressed
The Lord loves all humans-male or Female
Truly don't understand your comment
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ban school prayer
not allow the 10 commandments to be posted in schools
Remove "In God We Trust" from schools and currency
Ban Christmas trees (ala UNC in Davis Library but forgot the year)


We all want to feed the poor and comfort the oppressed. We just disagree on how to do it. I understand how it can get out of hand and become discriminatory and all of that. But the left would like to see it completely removed from overt daily life. Harris never talked about promoting Christianity while trump did. Hence, one candidate seemingly would be the choice if that were important to you.
 
Callatoroy said:
ban school prayer
not allow the 10 commandments to be posted in schools
Remove "In God We Trust" from schools and currency
Ban Christmas trees (ala UNC in Davis Library but forgot the year)


We all want to feed the poor and comfort the oppressed. We just disagree on how to do it. I understand how it can get out of hand and become discriminatory and all of that. But the left would like to see it completely removed from overt daily life. Harris never talked about promoting Christianity while trump did. Hence, one candidate seemingly would be the choice if that were important to you.
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My goodness..you think orangeturd is a Christain
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Christianity isn't going to grow under Trump, and it didn't in his first administration. The truth is that church attendance is steadily declining in the USA and has been for decades. And that includes conservative Evangelical and Catholic churches too. For example, the membership of the Southern Baptist Convention is at its lowest since the late 1970s. Your assumption that liberals want to "kill" Christianity is literally absurd, and that Trump will save it is equally ridiculous. Trump isn't propagating Christianity, he's the antithesis of it. Church attendance is going to continue to decline even with Dear Leader in office.
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I never said trump would increase church membership. It has been going down for decades. Liberals would like to see christianity in an overt form removed from schools or any g'ment building. do you disagree with that?
 
mpaer said:
My goodness..you think orangeturd is a Christain
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Christian? yes Does he practice his Christianity? No You don't have to be a good person to be a christian. Simply believe in Jesus Christ as the son of God is your savior. Not much required. Personally that is the cop out. You can be a christian without practicing its values. Some hypocrisy baked in.
 
Callatoroy said:
Christian? yes Does he practice his Christianity? No You don't have to be a good person to be a christian. Simply believe in Jesus Christ as the son of God is your savior. Not much required. Personally that is the cop out. You can be a christian without practicing its values. Some hypocrisy baked in.
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Ther is no reasn to believe orangeturd belives in Jesus Christ
 
Callatoroy said:
I never said trump would increase church membership. It has been going down for decades. Liberals would like to see christianity in an overt form removed from schools or any g'ment building. do you disagree with that?
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I hate to tell you this, but Christianity in an overt form has been out of schools for generations now, so that's not exactly something new. And why should Christianity be overtly placed in government buildings? You do know that non-Christians pay taxes too, so why should government buildings feature only Christian phrases to the exclusion of everything else? And you most certainly said that Trump would propagate and promote Christianity. How exactly do you do that when your entire life has been a rejection of nearly everything that Christians (and Christ) supposedly stood for? Being Anti-Christian is certainly an interesting way to promote Christianity.

ETA: And liberals are not in favor of removing Christianity from daily life, that's absurd. Not allowing blatant Christianity into schools and government buildings isn't going to remove it from daily life. I guess since more and more people aren't going to church conservatives are just going to force it on people everywhere, whether they want it or not. You say that liberals want it removed from public life, but it seems to me that conservatives are just the opposite - they want their version of Christianity to be forced onto everyone, whether they want it or not.
 
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Callatoroy said:
ban school prayer
not allow the 10 commandments to be posted in schools
Remove "In God We Trust" from schools and currency
Ban Christmas trees (ala UNC in Davis Library but forgot the year)


We all want to feed the poor and comfort the oppressed. We just disagree on how to do it. I understand how it can get out of hand and become discriminatory and all of that. But the left would like to see it completely removed from overt daily life. Harris never talked about promoting Christianity while trump did. Hence, one candidate seemingly would be the choice if that were important to you.
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Jesus feed the poor and healed the sick.

You want in Christianity in government but just in silly superficial ways (like the 10 Commandments in schools and Christmas Trees in libraries, but not in ways that actually help people.
 
Callatoroy said:
This seems simple to me. Which candidate would do more to propagate the values of Christianity in our society? It isn't complicated. It's simply a choice. either harris is going to do more for Christianity or trump is. trump sucks and is mean but Christianity will grow under him and that is what's important Or, Her side would like to kill christianity altogether as a part of our society. Its the most elementary decision possible.
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What the evangelicals practice is heresy and not Christianity. They follow Paul more than Jesus and repeatedly ignore what Jesus said. I wonder when any of them heard a sermon based on the Beatitudes or the Golden Rule?
 
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