Biorhythms for Wake Forest Game, 9 pm Tip

[Bigs23]

First, no, I have not only said that the players aren’t getting enough good shots. That’s one of many negatives that I, and others, have pointed out. I, and others, have pointed out many other issues as well, on both ends of the court, and on strategy. You say that you don’t know enough about the game to comment on those things, but HD/staff have done enough to convince you that they can be successful. What have you seen from them that convinces you of this?

And, again, pointing out mistakes is not trashing them.

Finally, we all see UNC players on the bench, past and present. The problem is, it’s not carrying over to UNC basketball on the court.

Who are you? What emboldens you so much?
You are the guy that keeps getting banned and coming back with new usernames on IC aren’t you?

Your level of arrogance is astounding. Are you Coach K?

 

[stankeylegjones]

Let me ask you a question instead. If last year's ACC Player of the Year and one of the best three point shooters from last year that we brought in were both hitting one more three pointer a game, where would we be? Hubert is getting them open shots.

We failed getting a big man in the portal. Everybody knows that. No one on the board really knows why. That problem isn't going away this year. That and the shooting woes are the problem. They are going to be the problem the whole year. Imo, the shooting can be fixed this year. You're blaming Hubert over and over for the missed recruiting AND blaming him for the fact that the only real offense we can count on is that outside shooting. What offense would you adopt since we sure can't take it inside.

Frankly, the system changing has more to do with it than anything else. If Hubert and the staff have much of the blame, it's their hesitance to commit wholehearted to pursue players at any cost. We might come to that if we want to maintain our previous success (not quite the necessity to me as it seems it is to others) but I'd rather wait until the waters are less roiled to see the real price we have to pay before we do that.

I could get behind your last point if this team was getting close to maximizing their talent and potential. They are not. They have no offensive identity because HD/staff have failed to adjust to their strengths, both over the long haul and in games. These players have all been chosen by HD/staff. He wasn’t simply forced into them.

Who knows what their record would be if they maded two more shots a game. But we do know that the underlying problems would still exist. Putting hope in players making enough plays while making it harder on them to do so is not the sign of a staff that is ready, yet.

Now, will you answer my question?

 

[SnoopRob]

Wow Freudian much? Phallic fixation and homophobia is never a good look. But it does explain some things.

“Freudian”, “phallic fixation”, and “homophobia”?

You went 3 for 3 on more words you lack the capacity to understand.

Just pathetic.

 

[stankeylegjones]

Who are you? What emboldens you so much?
You are the guy that keeps getting banned and coming back with new usernames on IC aren’t you?

Your level of arrogance is astounding. Are you Coach K?

The fuck are you talking about? I don’t post on IC. I do follow their analysts though. They point out the exact same things that I am pointing out. Along with analysts on ACC network, ESPN, and so forth. But, the thing is, the issues are not so complex that you need an analyst to understand them. They’re clear to regular folks like me. You simply choose to ignore them.

Or maybe you don’t, because maybe we’re all wrong and you’re right to be convinced that this staff is ready to succeed. The only problem I have with this is that you never offer any sort of reasoning to support that. Will you finally do it, so that we can then have a real discussion. Rather than just “feelings?”

 

[Centerpiece]

That's certainly one opinion.

For others, his seat isn't hot enough.

Look, Hubert's seat was warm to the touch the moment he was named head coach. Then it got hot as hell that first semester when the team wasn't doing much. Then, Hubert tweaked some stuff, some guys left the team, and then they caught fire. The team was now hot as hell and Hubert's office chair cooled off significantly. Then came K. Then came K again. Then came a 15 pt lead in the first half of the National Championship game. At that point in time it was "Live Action!" And the chair was so cold icicles were forming.

You can pretty much wash, rinse and repeat that cycle the next couple of years. Last year was an "UP" cycle - at least until the NCStateACCT game, and the Alabama loss in NCAAT. Then, all of a sudden, the good will of the first year and the 3rd year ACC regular season championship (and beating d00k 2x again and going 17-3; 29-8) - all of it - went out the window. Hubert's seat went back to warm to almost hot again in the blink of a 2 pt loss in the Sweet 16.

Then came the off-season portal issues of not getting a big to replace Mondo. BOOM! "Hubert can't coach! Hubert can't recruit!" BOOM! office chair is hot as a fire cracker once again. Now, fast forward to Jan. 2025... BOOM!

You can be a complete arse Snoop... I hadn't realized before. I almost sympathized with you when you started that thread a few months ago... "come at me! all you boyz on the old IC, I'm here! Come at me and let me explain why I moderated the way I did!" And then came those boyz, one by one... calling you an arseling... I actually took your side. But now I see it, You are an arschloch.

 

[SnoopRob]

Personally I’d rather be guided by character than the pursuit a few more wins.

You can always tell when the performance on the court isn’t justifying keeping a coach because the moral/ethical reasoning comes out, as if there are no ethical coaches in CBB having success.

Dean Smith showed us that you could both win games and do things in an ethical manner. Coach Gut did it in his short time at the helm. Roy brought that back after a brief period of chaos. That’s The Carolina Way.

And that’s all that those of us who aren’t satisfied with being a bubble team the majority of the time want to get back to.

 

[Heelsandeers]

Addressing the ratio, this staff has brought in 12 transfers (I think I have them all): Claude, Tyson, Lubin, Okonkwo, Ingram, Withers, Wojcik, Ryan, McKoy, Nance, Garcia, Manek. Of those, I'd say that Manek, Ryan, Ingram were hits. 3:1.

Now address putting players like Wojcik and Okonkwo in the same bucket as Garcia and Tyson

On your second point, that's still a failure on the staff's part, imo. And, he's not playing because he's not shooting it well. He's not playing because his game (all around) is not close to being on a level compared to others in the ACC (which is a very weak conference this year).

Disagree. He's not playing because he doesn't fit on this team as a 5 and for some reason HD has been trying to salvage something from Tyson. Realistically should've been playing more at the 4 with Drake at 3

He fed off Bacot well last season and brought energy off the bench with rebounding and defense. Not every player is a perfect hit or miss

As you mentioned, you can't fault folks for being concerned. I'm offering reasons for such concern. I think the biggest reason is that HD/staff have not show much to warrant faith in them going forward. I think many would feel definitely about next year if they had faith in the coaches. But, from everything we've seen, this staff is not ready yet to lead UNC basketball.

You are mostly repeating the same things about past years that have no effect on what the roster will look like next year

 

[Bigs23]

You can always tell when the performance on the court isn’t justifying keeping a coach because the moral/ethical reasoning comes out, as if there are no ethical coaches in CBB having success.

Dean Smith showed us that you could both win games and do things in an ethical manner. Coach Gut did it in his short time at the helm. Roy brought that back after a brief period of chaos. That’s The Carolina Way.

And that’s all that those of us who aren’t satisfied with being a bubble team the majority of the time want to get back to.

No, that’s just you bending someone else’s opinion into something to support your belief.

Prioritizing character isn’t an admission of anything. It’s an overarching principle.

 

[Bigs23]

The fuck are you talking about? I don’t post on IC. I do follow their analysts though. They point out the exact same things that I am pointing out. Along with analysts on ACC network, ESPN, and so forth. But, the thing is, the issues are not so complex that you need an analyst to understand them. They’re clear to regular folks like me. You simply choose to ignore them.

Or maybe you don’t, because maybe we’re all wrong and you’re right to be convinced that this staff is ready to succeed. The only problem I have with this is that you never offer any sort of reasoning to support that. Will you finally do it, so that we can then have a real discussion. Rather than just “feelings?”

I could be wrong but so could you.

Tamp down the all knowing declarations and you’ll get better discourse.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Hubert is a nice guy and should remain coach because he's nice and played at Carolina, and college sports is just different these days, so nothing you can do about being better, even though other programs have been more consistent the past 5 years, and no use in doing anything on offense to give the team a better chance with the players they have because everyone else plays that kind of offense, and Carolina might still make the tournament, but it's not a big deal if they don't, and I'm just glad to be a fan, so don't worry, be happy.

 

[Heelsandeers]

I guess this goes here…

It's hard to look at ALL the misses and conclude NIL wasn't a major factor

Who believes UNC was offering what Theiro is getting at Arkansas? Or Aidoo? (who is stealing $ btw, given his play this season). I think it's probable UNC wasn't the highest bidder for most of these guys and wasn't willing to overpay for anyone

Omoruyi seemed like the one they were willing to pay and simply lost out on. He's playing 18 mpg this year at Bama

 

[finesse]

You can always tell when the performance on the court isn’t justifying keeping a coach because the moral/ethical reasoning comes out, as if there are no ethical coaches in CBB having success.

Dean Smith showed us that you could both win games and do things in an ethical manner. Coach Gut did it in his short time at the helm. Roy brought that back after a brief period of chaos. That’s The Carolina Way.

And that’s all that those of us who aren’t satisfied with being a bubble team the majority of the time want to get back to.

Then you better get a time machine. Those days of four year players and such are gone and are any restraints on transferring. Fwiw, Gut won with Dean's players. His recruiting left us with Adam Boone and Brian Morrison as our backcourt.

But, as I said earlier, I don't need that immediate success to support the program. I came in as a fan at a time like that. I also don't want to see us overcommit to completely changing how we do things in a transitory period that is almost certainly going to be modified over the next few years.

 

[donbosco]

Interesting to go back and review the final Top 25 over the past five (or more) years. This link has both the AP and the Coach's polls (before the tournament started)

2019–20 NCAA Division I men's basketball rankings - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Peppers49]

Hubert is a nice guy and should remain coach because he's nice and played at Carolina, and college sports is just different these days, so nothing you can do about being better, even though other programs have been more consistent the past 5 years, and no use in doing anything on offense to give the team a better chance with the players they have because everyone else plays that kind of offense, and Carolina might still make the tournament, but it's not a big deal if they don't, and I'm just glad to be a fan, so don't worry, be happy.

Lol. Hubert is 21 games under .500 against Q1 opponents, but he doesn’t let the team curse, so it’s all good.

 

[Bigs23]

Hubert is a nice guy and should remain coach because he's nice and played at Carolina, and college sports is just different these days, so nothing you can do about being better, even though other programs have been more consistent the past 5 years, and no use in doing anything on offense to give the team a better chance with the players they have because everyone else plays that kind of offense, and Carolina might still make the tournament, but it's not a big deal if they don't, and I'm just glad to be a fan, so don't worry, be happy.

I want my old UNC back!

 

[Turd Ferguson]

I want my old UNC back!

I don't think anyone is saying they want the old UNC back. They want them to be able to be successful on a consistent basis in today's world of college sports. If other programs can do it then UNC should be able to, also.

 

[stankeylegjones]

I could be wrong but so could you.

Tamp down the all knowing declarations and you’ll get better discourse.

I’m just asking for what you are seeing in this staff that makes you think that they’re going to succeed going forward. Can you let me know?

 

[stankeylegjones]

Now address putting players like Wojcik and Okonkwo in the same bucket as Garcia and Tyson



Disagree. He's not playing because he doesn't fit on this team as a 5 and for some reason HD has been trying to salvage something from Tyson. Realistically should've been playing more at the 4 with Drake at 3

He fed off Bacot well last season and brought energy off the bench with rebounding and defense. Not every player is a perfect hit or miss



You are mostly repeating the same things about past years that have no effect on what the roster will look like next year

I’m not putting them in the same bucket. They didn’t contribute to the expectations of why they were brought in. And, going off of what you say about Tyson, it’s still a failure.

 

[Bigs23]

I’m just asking for what you are seeing in this staff that makes you think that they’re going to succeed going forward. Can you let me know?

Character, commitment, investment.

 

[Bigs23]

I don't think anyone is saying they want the old UNC back. They want them to be able to be successful on a consistent basis in today's world of college sports. If other programs can do it then UNC should be able to, also.

It may not be as simple as getting a different coach. In fact it almost surely isn’t.