Biorhythms for Wake Forest Game, 9 pm Tip

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stankeylegjones said:
This last statement is simply not true.
Regarding your first statement, I just don't see how you can be convinced that this staff is the right staff for UNC basketball, when you can't identify anything on the court that stands out to you as signs.
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Name the bad coaches who have done all of the following:
  • Coached in a national title game
  • Won the regular season title in a P5 conference
  • Been the COY of a P5 conference
  • Win 70% of their games
  • Win 71% of their conference games
 
I know y'all must know that Carolina once hired as its head coach a man with no experience in that position mainly because he was well-known as a person of integrity. Yeah, he knew basketball and had some coaching experience at a minor program and the armed forces plus as a college player but as I recollect from things that I have read it was the man's character that was his main recommendation.
 
Bigs23 said:
Do you have any tangible examples other than Hubert Davis who is by all accounts a high character guy.
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Other than the Mack Brown one?

I’ll admit this is something I’ve observed over a variety of message boards over a decent period of time reading them, but I didn’t go about cataloging them for posterity and I don’t care enough to go do a bunch of “research” now to find current examples.

Also, I’m not saying that Hubert isn’t a “high character guy”, only that such a quality isn’t a substitute for successfully winning games and when you see such labels being trotted out in higher than usual amounts you can pretty much bet that the on-field performance has been lacking.
 
donbosco said:
I know y'all must know that Carolina once hired as its head coach a man with no experience in that position mainly because he was well-known as a person of integrity. Yeah, he knew basketball and had some coaching experience at a minor program and the armed forces plus as a college player but as I recollect from things that I have read it was the man's character that was his main recommendation.
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Yes, in 1961 when the school was trying de-emphasize basketball as a result of multiple scandals involving the basketball program.

Comparing that situation to hiring Hubert 60 years and a lot of success later isn’t apples-to-oranges, it’s apples-to-beach balls.
 
Really? Nah. There are plenty enough touchstones there for me to make it a legit consideration rather than belittled.
 
SnoopRob said:
Other than the Mack Brown one?

I’ll admit this is something I’ve observed over a variety of message boards over a decent period of time reading them, but I didn’t go about cataloging them for posterity and I don’t care enough to go do a bunch of “research” now to find current examples.

Also, I’m not saying that Hubert isn’t a “high character guy”, only that such a quality isn’t a substitute for successfully winning games and when you see such labels being trotted out in higher than usual amounts you can pretty much bet that the on-field performance has been lacking.
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High character should be the most important and valued quality of any UNC basketball coach.
 
We don't get better. We don't make in-game adjustments. And if we hadn't pulled two games fully out of the deep end of our colon we'd be sitting at 11-10 right now and not even on the bubble. We have 3 five star recruits in the rotation, plus an ACC player of the year first team All-American who wasn't a five star, and despite the fact that we don't seem to understand NIL we still have talent. A lot of teams do a lot more with a lot less. One crazy ten game stretch and one good season where we completely underachieved in the post season is the bare minimum of what any coach would accomplish with what we have. I'm not impressed with this staff and I hope we're trying to land a blockbuster hire in the background. He's not a long-term solution. And he's old school at a time when the landscape is dramatically changing and seems too stubborn to adapt.

ETA: He's 21 games under .500 against Q1 opponents. WTF.
 
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Bigs23 said:
Name the bad coaches who have done all of the following:
  • Coached in a national title game
  • Won the regular season title in a P5 conference
  • Been the COY of a P5 conference
  • Win 70% of their games
  • Win 71% of their conference games
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All impressive feats, for sure. I do wonder, however, how inflated those percentages are....what's HD's record against quad 1 opponents? What about Quad 2? And, quads 3 - 4?

I get it. To you, a good coach is defined by their character, commitment, and investment. To me, and others, a good coach is defined by their product on the floor, getting their players better, etc., first, and their personality traits later down the line. I guess that is why talking about basketball is challenging for me and you - we have very different definitions of a good coach.
 
donbosco said:
I know y'all must know that Carolina once hired as its head coach a man with no experience in that position mainly because he was well-known as a person of integrity. Yeah, he knew basketball and had some coaching experience at a minor program and the armed forces plus as a college player but as I recollect from things that I have read it was the man's character that was his main recommendation.
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So, because Dean Smith did what he did, anyone with integrity and no experience will do the same?
 
SnoopRob said:
That’s ridiculous.

It’s not a religious institution or a school of ethics.
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D00k’s a religious institution and their coach taught ethics. Maybe we have misplaced values. We could be great like dook! Religiously and ethically great at basketball!
 
Bigs23 said:
What does that have to do with hiring high character people?
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If things are so different now and college basketball of our youth is gone then why should it matter? Also, you can have good character and still be a good coach and win games consistently, too.
 
stankeylegjones said:
All impressive feats, for sure. I do wonder, however, how inflated those percentages are....what's HD's record against quad 1 opponents? What about Quad 2? And, quads 3 - 4?

I get it. To you, a good coach is defined by their character, commitment, and investment. To me, and others, a good coach is defined by their product on the floor, getting their players better, etc., first, and their personality traits later down the line. I guess that is why talking about basketball is challenging for me and you - we have very different definitions of a good coach.
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A good coach and a good man are two different things. You can be both, though. I think Hubert might be better as a person than a coach.
 
Hubert was called into the office and was asked:
“Coach, we understand you’ve been cussing the players in the locker room at halftime. Is this true?”
Hubert: “Me? Cussing? Get the fuck outta here!”
 
Bigs23 said:
You’re okay with a head BB coach of questionable character?
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No, but high character isn’t the most important quality in a coach, either.

You’re playing a silly game here, but I have no idea to what end.
 
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