Black enrollment at UNC drops after ruling. Group who sued now coming for Duke.

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I have no idea-but I always thought the fact that so damn many kids from Chapel Hill high get in is in some small part because they heve Faculty parents . I always "figured " It was like Cford's description of Legacy They got an extra look see????? To extend my thought-Two identical kids -only room for 1-the one whose parent is on Faculty might have an advantage???
 
"'It's definitely a thing' even though it has been repeatedly shown to me that it is actually *not* a thing, and even though the data completely dispels the stupidity which I am putting forth on this thread. But I like to argue with people who are much smarter than me about topics on which I have no actual understanding, because I am never wrong about anything ever, and I enjoy making myself look like an abject moron on the internet for reasons that are only apparent to myself."
 
mpaer said:
I have no idea-but I always thought the fact that so damn many kids from Chapel Hill high get in is in some small part because they heve Faculty parents . I always "figured " It was like Cford's description of Legacy They got an extra look see????? To extend my thought-Two identical kids -only room for 1-the one whose parent is on Faculty might have an advantage???
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Chapel Hill public schools are some of the best in the state. I would assume that is why such a large percentage get in. I'm surprised it's only 30%.

UNC claims they don't give faculty kids an advantage. I would imagine the numbers are so small it would be hard to tell. My guess is there might be a little bit of help for certain Star faculty bringing in millions of grant dollars or high-level administrators but it has to be pretty tiny and kept on the DL.
 
The CEO of UNC Health had his son *not* get admitted to UNC, but yeah, UNC Admissions is definitely giving a "little bit of help for certain Star faculty bringing in millions of grand dollars" and they're "keeping it on the DL."

Yeah, that makes perfect sense!
 
CFordUNC said:
The CEO of UNC Health had his son *not* get admitted to UNC, but yeah, UNC Admissions is definitely giving a "little bit of help for certain Star faculty bringing in millions of grand dollars" and they're "keeping it on the DL."

Yeah, that makes perfect sense!
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Well in all fairness the information you provided is "inconsequental " Kid might have had an 1137 on SATS or some such
BTW it has been at least 25 yrs ( so probably 30)....But a group of my coworkers did a"job study" on Admissions folks at UNC. An old timer said 1 time in her career they had caved to pressure and admitted a"very big donors" kid just because of daddy's $.. One time and it would be the last
 
mpaer said:
Well in all fairness the information you provided is "inconsequental " Kid might have had an 1137 on SATS or some such
BTW it has been at least 25 yrs ( so probably 30)....But a group of my coworkers did a"job study" on Admissions folks at UNC. An old timer said 1 time in her career they had caved to pressure and admitted a"very big donors" kid just because of daddy's $.. One time and it would be the last
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That's true, I have no idea what the kid's application looked like. I know that he is now a physician, however, so it leads me to infer that he probably had solid academic credentials upon applying to college.
 
CFordUNC said:
That's true, I have no idea what the kid's application looked like. I know that he is now a physician, however, so it leads me to infer that he probably had solid academic credentials upon applying to college.
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Not to drag this out-but I assumme Daddy "could have" had more influence on a Med school admission than a UNC undergrad admission-I would be rather confident of that... Anyway I appreciate your knowledge of and confidence in the professional nature of UNC admissions
 
mpaer said:
Not to drag this out-but I assumme Daddy "could have" had more influence on a Med school admission than a UNC undergrad admission-I would be rather confident of that... Anyway I appreciate your knowledge of and confidence in the professional nature of UNC admissions
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I hear you, and I can understand why that might seem to be the case. I don't think you're wrong for thinking it's a plausible scenario. I really appreciate the knowledgeable back and forth with you on this.

Ultimately, I think it's completely reasonable for people to philosophically oppose legacy consideration in college admissions. I personally happen to disagree, but I understand why folks would be opposed to it. In practice, though, legacy admissions considerations aren't doing anything to keep low-income, middle-income, under-resourced, first-generation, or rural (or some combination) students out of elite or prestigious public universities. They're not being considered in the same manner by admissions committees. I even think it's probably good from an optics standpoint for states like California and Virginia to legislate *against* legacy admissions consideration. But I also know at the end of the day, enterprising public universities are going to find legal ways to consider legacy as one data point among many others in their holistic review of applicants- and I think that they are both within their right, and smart, to do so.
 
CFordUNC said:
I hear you, and I can understand why that might seem to be the case. I don't think you're wrong for thinking it's a plausible scenario. I really appreciate the knowledgeable back and forth with you on this.

Ultimately, I think it's completely reasonable for people to philosophically oppose legacy consideration in college admissions. I personally happen to disagree, but I understand why folks would be opposed to it. In practice, though, legacy admissions considerations aren't doing anything to keep low-income, middle-income, under-resourced, first-generation, or rural (or some combination) students out of elite or prestigious public universities. They're not being considered in the same manner by admissions committees. I even think it's probably good from an optics standpoint for states like California and Virginia to legislate *against* legacy admissions consideration. But I also know at the end of the day, enterprising public universities are going to find legal ways to consider legacy as one data point among many others in their holistic review of applicants- and I think that they are both within their right, and smart, to do so.
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And I have no idea who the "rich guy" was in my example of 1 student being admitted But lets say it was a Kenan. I would say being a Kenan is as much of a "special talent " at UNC-CH as being a great cornerback
 
mpaer said:
And I have no idea who the "rich guy" was in my example of 1 student being admitted But lets say it was a Kenan. I would say being a Kenan is as much of a "special talent " at UNC-CH as being a great cornerback
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Yeah. I definitely think that *if* all things or even *most* things are relatively equal between two hypothetical candidates for admissions- in other words, they both check all of the boxes from an academic credentials standpoint and the admissions office feels that both would have equal chances of success at the university- then I think that legacy can and should be used as a tiebreaker of sorts. I don't think that legacy should *ever* be used as a means of boosting an unqualified or under-qualified applicant into an admitted students pool at the expense of a more qualified legacy applicant.
 
mpaer said:
And I have no idea who the "rich guy" was in my example of 1 student being admitted But lets say it was a Kenan. I would say being a Kenan is as much of a "special talent " at UNC-CH as being a great cornerback
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The article I posted didn't mention it but the new California law also prevents "donor admits" for public and private universities. Good on Newsome and the California legislature. North Carolina lawmakers could profit from their example.

This doesn't speak directly to your point. I have no idea if UNC allows donor admits but I believe Duke and some other privates in NC do. Regardless, I think they need to be forced to stop.
 
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They aren't very good at high school compared to the girls and politically they just aren't as attractive a target for extra support as girls were 20 or 30 years ago.
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Girls got "extra support" 20-30 years ago?
 
mpaer said:
Girls got "extra support" 20-30 years ago?
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Yep. Once we let them out of the kitchen, they’ve gone gangbusters and not looked back since.

In all sincerity, though, I think I understand where GT is coming from. Georgia Tech probably had so many dudes when he was there that it seemed like any women who matriculated to the Institute must have gotten “extra support.”
 
mpaer said:
Girls got "extra support" 20-30 years ago?
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Yes. Women only academic programs, mentorships for women, women only scholarships, women only competitions.

They still have them today. You can google female math competitions or women who code programs. The goal is to get more women into stem programs and it's a worthy one. But you're not going to see too many men only academic competitions or men only forums. I just googled and saw none.

Google female k-12 competition or female k-12 mentorship program and you'll find scores if not hundreds.
 
I guess it worked
Kind of like affirmative action and DEI I assume you thought in 1964 when UNC was all white males that was Good?
 
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