Border walls are no longer racist

rodoheel said:
Here's the thread Croatoan referenced above if anyone wants to actually read it:

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You will see conservative posters accusing liberals of calling them racist, but (shocker) no conservative posters being called racist. So in other words, this whole thread is just typical conservative victimhood BS, complaining that everyone was super mean and unfair to them when really they just lack critical thinking skills and reading comprehension.

Also, based on that thread, my guess would be that Croatoan is FloHeel.
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Applebees McDisabilityfraud is here?
 
Croatoan said:
You agreed with me when you wrote this earlier in the thread:

“Ok. If I grant to you that some people on the old ZZL message board called it racist (not Harris, but message board posters)…”

Do you need newer examples to stand by what you’ve already confirmed?
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Holy shit, did you really say that Enigma writing “…IF I grant you (for argument’s sake) that some people…” is Enigma CONFIRMING that people on the old ZZL called the wall racist ?
 
Read the entire old thread posted and not a single person called the wall racist.
The only time the word “racist” was used was FloHeel claiming that liberals’ only contribution to discussing the wall is to call republicans “racist.”
Just like this thread.
 
ZenMode said:
Unless it was an incredibly high wall, it wouldn't. Of course, the people who arrive on visas are documented and vetted.
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So we should become as efficient at vetting those arriving across the southern border.

Overstating there visas is equal to crossing the boarder, they are still here without the appropriate permissions. Why isn't there equal concern with them?

My position is that both parties need to stop playing political games and develop a comprehensive policy.

We obviously need the people in the labor force. And 99.9% of those looking to immigrate are looking for work and an opportunity to better their lives.

They are not the murders, criminals, traffickers, and drug lords as trump describes "ALL" of them.

A wall does pretty much nothing to help resolve the problem or help with immigration reform. It only placates those who believe immigration to be an existential crisis.

It's also interesting that trump didn't finish his wonderful wall, what makes people believe he can get it done if elected again? We know he doesn't know the definition of compromise.
 
Croatoan said:
Accuse of trolling? Check.
Change/minimize subject of thread? Check.
Backtrack, spin, and excuse? Check.
Question source? Check.

If you just threw in a “MAGAT” or “Trumper”…

7/10

Problem is, I have a memory. Not a great one, but good enough to remember as far back as to Trump’s presidency. While you might not agree with its validity, the argument that the border wall and anyone that supported its construction were racist has been made many times on these boards, often by the very same usernames that seem to be the most vociferous of Harris supporters. As someone who has contunuously supported the construction of a wall as a part of efforts to increase control of illegal immigration, I’d be interested in hearing from those who have made that argument in the past. Do they hide behind the “it’s just a compromise” nonsense, have they changed their opinions on the issue, or are they okay with just a little racism in order to pick up a few votes? That’s a fair question to ask after years of being labeled racist, no?
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I thought we got away from this coming here.
 
ZenMode said:
Unless it was an incredibly high wall, it wouldn't. Of course, the people who arrive on visas are documented and vetted.
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So, is the argument here that we should build a wall or that we should maximize our efforts to reduce undocumented workers?

If it is the latter, then being vetted for a visa makes no difference once they overstay the visa, they are now undocumented, just as if they had crossed the southern border. In which case shouldn't we use our resources wisely to reduce the number of undocumented workers? In this case we have more information to go after those who overstay visas so we would get more return on our resource investment?

If the debate is simply should we build a wall, then my opinion is that a wall is a waste of money and accomplishes very little, so no we should not build a wall. We should actually deal with the issue.
 
Meanwhile Elon Musk is on Twitter tossing out a bunch of tweets (including RTs and quote-tweets of Republican politicians and others) about preventing noncitizens from voting and accusing Dems of wanting to get immigrants into the country (and also accusing them of not wanting to deport criminal Democrats) because they vote Dem. All, of course, based on the completely fabricated premise that noncitizens are illegally voting in US elections, which is both entirely illogical and repeatedly has been proven to be a myth.

Just typical Republican logic - a solution in search of a problem. Republicans would totally be trying to get illegal immigrants to vote for them if they thought they could, so they just assume/project that Dems are doing it.
 
UNCatTech said:
So, is the argument here that we should build a wall or that we should maximize our efforts to reduce undocumented workers?
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We should want to know who is coming into the country. CBP has caught people at the border who we don't want here. People can, and will, disagree on where the costs of chasing 100% security becomes too high.
If it is the latter, then being vetted for a visa makes no difference once they overstay the visa, they are now undocumented, just as if they had crossed the southern border. In which case shouldn't we use our resources wisely to reduce the number of undocumented workers? In this case we have more information to go after those who overstay visas so we would get more return on our resource investment?
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The vetting and documenting is probably the most important aspect of immigration. Overstaying a visa doesn't change that.
If the debate is simply should we build a wall, then my opinion is that a wall is a waste of money and accomplishes very little, so no we should not build a wall. We should actually deal with the issue.
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The question of where walls are needed and where they aren't can be debated, but the fact remains that walls work.
 
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