GOP & Policies toward/treatment of Transgender & other LGBTQ Americans

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ZenMode said:
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Riley Gaines, who has never won anything in her life, criticizing the greatest gymnast of all time for being a loser is quite a take. As is trying to weaponize Biles' own sexual abuse against her.

Riley Gaines is a hateful bigoted person. A woman who was given every advantage and punches down. I mean, she was an All-American at swimming. She could be proud of that, but instead she decides to act exactly like you'd expect from a dumbass blond girl at UK.
 
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You know how many fifth place finishes Riley Gaines would have had had her uninclusive dreams came through - one. Exactly the same as she had when Lia Thomas participated in accordance with the rules then and they tied for fifth (or maybe Gaines was just barely sixth).

In any event, I got to see Biles speak earlier this year. I was immediately struck by (a) how young she still is and (b) how tiny she is. I know she is all muscle but she is an insanely short athlete. A little human tank.
 
superrific said:
Riley Gaines, who has never won anything in her life, criticizing the greatest gymnast of all time for being a loser is quite a take. As is trying to weaponize Biles' own sexual abuse against her.

Riley Gaines is a hateful bigoted person. A woman who was given every advantage and punches down. I mean, she was an All-American at swimming. She could be proud of that, but instead she decides to act exactly like you'd expect from a dumbass blond girl at UK.
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Your opinion of Riley may be accurate. It is pretty shitty to use the sexual abuse scandal in that way. However, her point about invalidating the feelings of many to validate the feelings of the very, very few is accurate.

We are supposed to validate the feelings of a single male over the feelings of the all the females "he" impacted. The females who didn't make the team, didn't make the starting lineup, missed out on the postseason, came in second when they should have come in first, came in third when they should have come in second, etc.
 
ZenMode said:
Your opinion of Riley may be accurate. It is pretty shitty to use the sexual abuse scandal in that way. However, her point about invalidating the feelings of many to validate the feelings of the very, very few is accurate.

We are supposed to validate the feelings of a single male over the feelings of the all the females "he" impacted. The females who didn't make the team, didn't make the starting lineup, missed out on the postseason, came in second when they should have come in first, came in third when they should have come in second, etc.
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We get it. You hate queers. Take it to a Pride Parade.
 
ZenMode said:
Attacking the messenger when you can't attack the message...
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Fuck off you stupid piece of shit. Were all tired of your same old bullshit.

You post the same crap over and over and over....

WE KNOW you hate LBGTQ people. You don't have to keep reinforcing it by pointing out other bigoted idiots that share your hatred.

You have no message to attack, you just keep reposting shit from other idiots like you. I hope that your idol one day get's over finishing 5th.
 
ZenMode said:
However, her point about invalidating the feelings of many to validate the feelings of the very, very few is accurate.
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This logic defeats all civil rights. Guess what happened when black people got the right to vote in the South? There were a lot of feelings hurt -- a lot more feelings hurt than feelings validated, if statistics are to be believed. But mere popularity has never been the measure of our rights. Indeed, the whole point of the Bill of Rights was to protect individuals from the tyranny you are describing.
 
superrific said:
This logic defeats all civil rights. Guess what happened when black people got the right to vote in the South? There were a lot of feelings hurt -- a lot more feelings hurt than feelings validated, if statistics are to be believed. But mere popularity has never been the measure of our rights. Indeed, the whole point of the Bill of Rights was to protect individuals from the tyranny you are describing.
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If You are talking about Constitutional rights, I absolutely agree. The government can't discriminate based on certain characteristics, so they can't rule over marriage, but disallow certain people from getting married.

If you are implying that there is a constitutional right for genetic males to play on genetic female sports teams, then we should just get rid of Title 9, make all public sports co-ed and have equal numbers of males and females on each team.
 
Healing said:
Self censor him. It’s a worthwhile discipline, imo. I don’t “Ignore” his pitiable, unworldly, and reactive posts but I have ingrained a functional ignore by habitually scrolling past the split second I see his avatar.

He’s a successful troll because he writes reasonably well, at least grammatically, which I’m convinced tricks folks into thinking he’s a reasonable interlocutor. Yet, his posts are predictable and ever static, despite terrible internal logic accompanied by getting rhetorically switch whipped, time and time again.

His goal is your reaction. Starve him.
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I know I need to.

I've had an extremely tough week and when I see him and silence with their normal repeated stances, sometimes it is just too much.
 
ZenMode said:
If You are talking about Constitutional rights, I absolutely agree.
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I'm not, or certainly not primarily. Constitutional rights are merely one example. We don't believe that non-discrimination is a good principle because it's in the constitution; rather, it's in the constitution because it's the right way to run a society.

So there is not in fact a constitutional right to play on any sports team, and I'm quite confident that no court would extend principles of non-discrimination so far.

But that doesn't make what you're doing correct. Whether or not your position is better than the alternatives, your obsession is morally insupportable. There is no world in which a trivial issue that affects almost nobody's life (and when it does, it's hardly life or death) worthy of all this attention. That's what is wrong about your constant harping.
 
superrific said:
I'm not, or certainly not primarily. Constitutional rights are merely one example. We don't believe that non-discrimination is a good principle because it's in the constitution; rather, it's in the constitution because it's the right way to run a society.
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I agree, which why certain activities are constitutionally protected and others aren't. The right to vote being a good example of a constitutionally protected activity.
superrific said:
So there is not in fact a constitutional right to play on any sports team, and I'm quite confident that no court would extend principles of non-discrimination so far.
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Agree.
superrific said:
But that doesn't make what you're doing correct. Whether or not your position is better than the alternatives, your obsession is morally insupportable.
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What is immoral about putting a priority on fairness based on science? Again, you, I and everyone here recognizes, and supports, the logic behind not having males in female sports.
superrific said:
There is no world in which a trivial issue that affects almost nobody's life (and when it does, it's hardly life or death) worthy of all this attention. That's what is wrong about your constant harping.
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This reasoning is equally, if not more so, applicable when defending not allowing males in female sports.

If it's trivial and not a matter of life and death, then why not focus on fairness and science? Why prioritize the feelings of the very, very few when they are negatively impacting many?
 
ZenMode said:
Again, you, I and everyone here recognizes, and supports, the logic behind not having males in female sports.
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You, again, are wrong. You keep using the assumption that the weakest male is far stronger and greater than the best female. That's the only way your premise works.

There are some women that could probably play men's sports on their level. There are many women that are far stronger and more athletic in general than their male counterparts.

The risk is no greater from a trans woman than from a bigger stronger cis girl. As an example, I'm sure that Serena Williams would mop the floor with you and 90% of male tennis players in the world. She could probably beat your ass too.

But you keep pretending that your lies are correct and that any male is stronger, more athletic, greater player, and a greater risk, it seems you make you happy to be consistently wrong and you are good at it.
 
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