4thgenheel
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But, why not protect the other contestants from this atrocity?If ever there was an appropriate venue for this to happen, and absolutely nobody watched or cared, the self glorifying, pretentious Hollywood award ceremonies is it.
No it isn't. It's great for the country.That's embarrassing for the country.
You can't have ot both ways.I have absolutely no issue with homosexual or transsexuals. I have an issue with those who ignore science in favor of feelings and identity politics.
So you are wrong and confused. Must suck to be you.I'm not conflicted. I'm confident that there is an obviously correct course of action in this case.
Because these pretentious, self-glorifying awards shows are private, not public.But, why not protect the other contestants from this atrocity?
Oh, I see, it only matters when it's a group you choose to marginalized and discriminate against.
Super, the age doesn't matter in this example because the primus of the right is that the least man are greater than ALL women in sports. Otherwise their risk argument falls apart.In fairness, Bobby Riggs was 55 years old, BJK was 29. We'd frown on that if they were dating, let alone athletically competing.
I think the "women are just as capable as men" argument is a dead end, because it's wrong. Not all of the time for every sport, but for most of the popular ones.
From what I have been able to glean from a public debate I don't follow much, it seems that more and more leagues are handing out two medals in the case that a trans person wins. That solves the problem in its entirety. What remains is the bigotry.
REALLY? There's no connecting logic there.Because these pretentious, self-glorifying awards shows are private, not public.
I can have it both ways. I can have no issues at all with college-age athletes and still believe they shouldn't be competing against 13 year olds.You can't have ot both ways.
But of course we all know you don't understand the science. And you keep up with this bullshit idea that the least man is greater athletically than All women, which is provably wrong.
You must envoy lying. Like your dear leader.
And your point? We're not discussing that topic. So go start your own thread on that topic, so we can all test the topic ignore function.I can have it both ways. I can have no issues at all with college-age athletes and still believe they shouldn't be competing against 13 year olds.
My point is that you don't have to have an issue with a specific group of people to have an awareness of science and fairness.And your point? We're not discussing that topic. So go start your own thread on that topic, so we can all test the topic ignore function.
It would be nice if you understood science and fairness and didn't have an issue with a particular group of people, as you so clearly do.My point is that you don't have to have an issue with a specific group of people to have an awareness of science and fairness.
That's not quite true. If things are riskier on average, that would be a reason to regulate. But there is absolutely no evidence that it's the case.Super, the agree doesn't matter in this example because the primus of the right is that the least man are greater than ALL women in sports. Otherwise their risk argument falls apart.
Science doesn't dictate males should play in female sports. Science says that men are bigger, stronger and faster than females. Men have more muscle and less fat than women. I posted Google AI info below, but there are many, many resources and research that supports this fact.@ZenMode, you keep falsely claiming that science dictates that men and women should not play sports together. Can you provide links to support this? I don't recall any science regarding sports participation. And if there is "science" that dictates this, why is the science ignored for young kids and for coed college sports and for rec leagues? Why do we ignore the science in all of these other examples of men and women, boys and girls, playing sports together without issue.
See, I stopped when you lied and said that science says that men are bigger, stringer, and faster. This is a complete lie as there are many example showing that to be false and not the absolute that you claim.Science doesn't dictate males should play in female sports. Science says that men are bigger, stronger and faster than females. Men have more muscle and less fat than women. I posted Google AI info below, but there are many, many resources and research that supports this fact.
That being the case, males have a significant competitive advantage against females in nearly all athletic events/sports.
AI Overview
Yes, men generally have more muscle mass than women. On average, men have around 61% more muscle mass than women. This difference is primarily due to hormonal differences, particularly higher levels of testosterone in men, which promotes muscle growth.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
- Hormonal Factors:
Testosterone, a male hormone, plays a crucial role in muscle growth and development. Men have significantly higher levels of testosterone than women, leading to greater muscle mass.
- Average Muscle Mass Difference:
Studies consistently show that men have a greater percentage of skeletal muscle mass compared to women. For example, a study in the Journal of Applied Physiology found that men had 33.0 kg of skeletal muscle compared to women's 21.0 kg.
- Body Composition:
Men tend to have a higher proportion of lean muscle mass and a lower proportion of fat mass compared to women. Women, on the other hand, typically have a higher percentage of body fat.
- Muscle Distribution:
The difference in muscle mass is also seen in specific areas of the body. Men tend to have a greater percentage of total muscle mass in the upper body compared to the lower body, while women exhibit the opposite pattern.
Women and Men in Sport Performance: The Gender Gap has not Evolved since 1983 - PMC
Sex is a major factor influencing best performances and world records. Here the evolution of the difference between men and women’s best performances is characterized through the analysis of 82 quantifiable events since the beginning of the Olympic ...pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Sex is a major factor influencing best performances and world records. Here the evolution of the difference between men and women’s best performances is characterized through the analysis of 82 quantifiable events since the beginning of the Olympic era. For each event in swimming, athletics, track cycling, weightlifting and speed skating the gender gap is fitted to compare male and female records. It is also studied through the best performance of the top 10 performers in each gender for swimming and athletics. A stabilization of the gender gap in world records is observed after 1983, at a mean difference of 10.0% ± 2.94 between men and women for all events. The gender gap ranges from 5.5% (800-m freestyle, swimming) to 18.8% (long jump). The mean gap is 10.7% for running performances, 17.5% for jumps, 8.9% for swimming races, 7.0% for speed skating and 8.7% in cycling. The top ten performers’ analysis reveals a similar gender gap trend with a stabilization in 1982 at 11.7%, despite the large growth in participation of women from eastern and western countries, that coincided with later- published evidence of state-institutionalized or individual doping. These results suggest that women will not run, jump, swim or ride as fast as men.
Science doesn't dictate who plays sports. PERIOD.Science doesn't dictate males should play in female sports. Science says that men are bigger, stronger and faster than females. Men have more muscle and less fat than women. I posted Google AI info below, but there are many, many resources and research that supports this fact.
That being the case, males have a significant competitive advantage against females in nearly all athletic events/sports.
AI Overview
Yes, men generally have more muscle mass than women. On average, men have around 61% more muscle mass than women. This difference is primarily due to hormonal differences, particularly higher levels of testosterone in men, which promotes muscle growth.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
- Hormonal Factors:
Testosterone, a male hormone, plays a crucial role in muscle growth and development. Men have significantly higher levels of testosterone than women, leading to greater muscle mass.
- Average Muscle Mass Difference:
Studies consistently show that men have a greater percentage of skeletal muscle mass compared to women. For example, a study in the Journal of Applied Physiology found that men had 33.0 kg of skeletal muscle compared to women's 21.0 kg.
- Body Composition:
Men tend to have a higher proportion of lean muscle mass and a lower proportion of fat mass compared to women. Women, on the other hand, typically have a higher percentage of body fat.
- Muscle Distribution:
The difference in muscle mass is also seen in specific areas of the body. Men tend to have a greater percentage of total muscle mass in the upper body compared to the lower body, while women exhibit the opposite pattern.
Women and Men in Sport Performance: The Gender Gap has not Evolved since 1983 - PMC
Sex is a major factor influencing best performances and world records. Here the evolution of the difference between men and women’s best performances is characterized through the analysis of 82 quantifiable events since the beginning of the Olympic ...pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Sex is a major factor influencing best performances and world records. Here the evolution of the difference between men and women’s best performances is characterized through the analysis of 82 quantifiable events since the beginning of the Olympic era. For each event in swimming, athletics, track cycling, weightlifting and speed skating the gender gap is fitted to compare male and female records. It is also studied through the best performance of the top 10 performers in each gender for swimming and athletics. A stabilization of the gender gap in world records is observed after 1983, at a mean difference of 10.0% ± 2.94 between men and women for all events. The gender gap ranges from 5.5% (800-m freestyle, swimming) to 18.8% (long jump). The mean gap is 10.7% for running performances, 17.5% for jumps, 8.9% for swimming races, 7.0% for speed skating and 8.7% in cycling. The top ten performers’ analysis reveals a similar gender gap trend with a stabilization in 1982 at 11.7%, despite the large growth in participation of women from eastern and western countries, that coincided with later- published evidence of state-institutionalized or individual doping. These results suggest that women will not run, jump, swim or ride as fast as men.
C'mon now. Zen did not say "all" men are bigger, faster and stronger. He just said "men" -- which should be fairly interpreted as including an "on average" in there. You are the one adding an implied "all."See, I stopped when you lied and said that science says that men are bigger, stringer, and faster. Thus is a complete lie as there are many example showing thus to be false and not the absolute that you claim.
Additionally, some women are bigger, faster, and stronger, so I guess, based on your premise that we should disban all sports where all contestants are not the same size, strength, and have equal athletic ability.
Sound ridiculous doesn't it? That because it is and this false narrative is what you keep standing behind.
There are plenty of women that are bigger, faster, and stronger than men.
Hollywood?If ever there was an appropriate venue for this to happen, and absolutely nobody watched or cared, the self glorifying, pretentious Hollywood award ceremonies is it.
This prompted my reply you have quoted:In fairness, Bobby Riggs was 55 years old, BJK was 29. We'd frown on that if they were dating, let alone athletically competing.
I think the "women are just as capable as men" argument is a dead end, because it's wrong. Not all of the time for every sport, but for most of the popular ones.
From what I have been able to glean from a public debate I don't follow much, it seems that more and more leagues are handing out two medals in the case that a trans person wins. That solves the problem in its entirety. What remains is the bigotry.