GOP & Policies toward/treatment of Transgender & other LGBTQ Americans

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Mulberry Heel said:
No surprise at all, but Southern Baptists at their annual National Convention yesterday voted to push for banning gay marriage again and urged the Supreme Court to overturn Obergefell. I'm sure several posters on here, to judge from their comments about transgenders and the LGBTQ community generally, will privately applaud this move.

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Is there another group that wants life to be as miserable and boring as the southern baptist?
 
Mulberry Heel said:
No surprise at all, but Southern Baptists at their annual National Convention yesterday voted to push for banning gay marriage again and urged the Supreme Court to overturn Obergefell. I'm sure several posters on here, to judge from their comments about transgenders and the LGBTQ community generally, will privately applaud this move.
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The government can't discriminate based on sexual orientation. They can't offer marriage to only straight people any more than they could offer driver's licenses to only straight people.

It's that simple, IMO.
 
I saw a poll on CNN that said 4 years ago the Republicans supported gay marriage at 55%. Now they support it at 41%. Democrats have stayed steady around 88%.

The trans issue around kid transitions and the sports distractions is the only thing that has changed. Unfortunately, traditional gay couples have been lumped together with an issue that doesn’t really have anything to do with them but people are not clever enough to differentiate. A man marrying a man has nothing to do with whether a 16 year old should be able to take hormone blockers or if a trans girl can compete against other girls.
 
UNCatTech said:
Is there another group that wants life to be as miserable and boring as the southern baptist?
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Wasn't always so bad. There was a conservative takeover in 1980. They were never flaming liberals but were somewhat reasonable.


A 1970 poll by the Baptist Sunday School board found that a majority of Southern Baptist pastors supported abortion in a number of instances, including when the woman’s mental or physical health was at risk or in the case of rape or fetal deformity.

The SBC passed its first resolution on abortion two years before the Roe decision. While the Convention never supported the right of a woman to have an abortion at her request for any reason, the resolution did acknowledge the need for legislation that would allow for some exceptions.

In fact, many Southern Baptists saw the Roe decision as drawing a needed line between church and state on matters of morality and state regulation. A Baptist Press article just days after the decision called it an advancement of religious liberty, human equality and justice.

The Convention affirmed this resolution in 1974 after Roe was decided. A 1976 resolution condemned abortion as “a means of birth control” but still insisted the decision ultimately remained between a woman and her doctor.

A 1977 resolution clarified the Convention’s position, reaffirming its “strong opposition to abortion on demand.” However, it also reaffirmed the Convention’s views about the limited role of government and the right of pregnant women to medical services and counseling. This resolution was affirmed again in 1979.
 
To be honest, I'm not real sure how I feel about it. I'm real sure that I don't particularly give a damn and am perfectly content to leave it up the the sports organizations themselves. I think the government and the haters should both stay out of it. If they don't like the rules, start your own organization.
 
The thread about Sarah McBride was locked before I could respond, but I just want to get it on the record that my planned response to the OP was....

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HintonJamesHeel said:
I saw a poll on CNN that said 4 years ago the Republicans supported gay marriage at 55%. Now they support it at 41%. Democrats have stayed steady around 88%.

The trans issue around kid transitions and the sports distractions is the only thing that has changed. Unfortunately, traditional gay couples have been lumped together with an issue that doesn’t really have anything to do with them but people are not clever enough to differentiate. A man marrying a man has nothing to do with whether a 16 year old should be able to take hormone blockers or if a trans girl can compete against other girls.
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And yet, even using your poll, nearly half of all Republicans never accepted gay marriage, and on the sole basis of transgenders existing at all at least 15% of Republicans have already backtracked on gay marriage. I seriously doubt that a majority of Republicans have ever privately accepted gay marriage or gays or lesbians in general, much less transgenders. Certainly Evangelical Republicans never have. And these attacks on transgenders by Trumpers - which make up about one-half of one percent of the population - is, make no mistake, very deliberately designed to to turn back the clock on all progress made on gay rights over the past half-century. And that's on Republicans, not transgenders or Democrats. Blaming transgenders for Republican bigotry and ignorance towards the entire LGBTQ community is new one, I'll admit.
 
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finesse said:
To be honest, I'm not real sure how I feel about it. I'm real sure that I don't particularly give a damn and am perfectly content to leave it up the the sports organizations themselves. I think the government and the haters should both stay out of it. If they don't like the rules, start your own organization.
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yep. although it isn't a 90/10 issue like pubs try to claim it is pretty unpopular and controversial and i don't think that it is the hill that progressives and trans folks should proverbially be dying on at this time.

we should be trying to secure widespread human and civil rights for trans folks (and the rest of the lgbtq community) before we worry about what sports divisions trans folks should be competing in. lets walk before we run.
 
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