Harris/Walz Catch-All | Kamala blitz in closing stretch

[UNCatTech]

No...

No, there is no possible way the party of free speech would demand censorship. This cannot be true.

 

[superrific]

If you were concerned about illegal border crossings, you're a labeled a racist.

That's probably because it is almost definitionally racist. Migrants don't harm the country. Scapegoating brown people for ills they have nothing to do with is racism. Full stop.

There is no reasonable argument that "the border" is among the policies that most affect Americans' lives. And yet MAGAs consider it the #1 priority. Hmm. I wonder why? And no issue attracts quite so many lies, and such despicable ones, as this precisely because the entire commotion is invented.

Climate change does way, way, way more damage to Americans than migrants. And yet MAGAs aren't interested in it. They deny it even exists. Gee, I wonder why. Education quality hurts Americans way, way, way more than migrants. And yet. Corporate consolidation? Way more harmful. Crypto? Way more harmful. And yet.

Sam Bankman-Fried, Robert Allen Stanford and Bernie Madoff cost Americans more than migrants do. The financial crisis of 2008 was orders of magnitude more destructive. So are hurricanes. And yet the focus is on the poor brown people. I'm sorry, but that's almost definitionally racist. And Trump's claims about "bad genes" ARE definitionally racist and yet nobody from Team Red dares step forward to say anything.

See, the problem here is that conservatives aren't nearly as good as they think they are at hiding their racial animus. Liberals see it. Then conservatives get angry that they are exposed and MAGA is the result. At this point, MAGA is little more than ritualized anger and resentment. Liberals didn't do that. No liberal policy did that. It's on the GOP.

 

[EyeballKid]

There's so much to talk about when talking about the rise of Trump. It would take 100 pages to cover it all. Social media played a big role, but I'm not going to get into that.

In general, I think people saw things happening that scared them. If you were concerned about illegal border crossings, you're a labeled a racist. If you are against affirmative action, you're a racist. As part of wokeness, people were losing their jobs for what was essentially thought crimes or because they were white and dressed up as a black celebrity 20 years ago. There were censorship and free speech concerns and there was no faith in the current Republican party or it's politicians to address the issue. We had just come off of the Romney/Obama election... two guys who were, politically, about as close to being the same as any two politicians ever in the Presidential race.

Along come Trump. He doesn't talk like politicians. He talks like "we" talk. He doesn't sugar coat it. He talks straight about the things that worry people.... and so it began.

In the eyes of Republican, and many undecided voters, things haven't gotten any better. Wokeness and cancel culture are largely gone, but in its place is drag queen story hour, DEI, people losing their jobs for saying "all lives matter", cops standing by while businesses are looted. Minnesota politicians calling it a "priviledge" to be able to call the police for help when their house is being robbed and calling or the complete elemination of police. CNN broadcasters standing in front of burning buildings saying idiotic things like "It's a fiery but otherwise peaceful protest". In some cases, people being fired from their job because of something their spouse posted on line. Then there's the lie of a stolen election that consumed the country. Now, you have the economy and inflation and gas prices combined with a very, IMO, underwhelming Kamala Harris.

Again, there's a significant underlying social media influence here.

This is such a load of horseshit.

As I attempted to explain WRT your initial crappy example of liberals supposedly being “weak on crime”…all of these things—immigration, race relations/racism, taxes, abortion, etc—are vastly complex issues.

The Republican platform has long appealed to the portion of Americans who lack critical thinking skills and view the world in black-and-white rather than shades of gray. Trumpism is simply the most potent distillation of that platform.

—America = good. Flag = America. Bible = America. Republicans = America.

—Democrats = bad. Democrats = UnAmerican. Democrats = Marxist/commie. Democrats = satanic cult that eats babies.

—lgbtq people = unnatural, unworthy, sick, bad.

—immigrants = dangerous, dirty, criminal, job-takers, freeloaders.

You’re trying so damn hard to blame Dems for the longstanding moral failures and lack of critical thinking skills of Republican leaders and voters that inevitably led to Trumpism.

 

[UNCatTech]

To the extent that this has already been covered, I apologize. But, I have to believe that given how long Tim Walz was a public school teacher, the RNC, the Trump organization, or entities working at their behest have searched high and low for some student with a grudge against Tim Walz to make an allegation that Tim Walz was somehow sexually inappropriate with him or her. But given how sketchy such an allegation would probably be, I would guess that "Today's GOP" is holding it until there is not enough time to vet or refute it.

Or, maybe he's so squeaky clean that they gave up looking and hope that not recalling an exact date, 35 years ago, of his trip to China.

 

[lightbluenc]

There's so much to talk about when talking about the rise of Trump. It would take 100 pages to cover it all. Social media played a big role, but I'm not going to get into that.

In general, I think people saw things happening that scared them. If you were concerned about illegal border crossings, you're a labeled a racist. If you are against affirmative action, you're a racist. As part of wokeness, people were losing their jobs for what was essentially thought crimes or because they were white and dressed up as a black celebrity 20 years ago. There were censorship and free speech concerns and there was no faith in the current Republican party or it's politicians to address the issue. We had just come off of the Romney/Obama election... two guys who were, politically, about as close to being the same as any two politicians ever in the Presidential race.

Along come Trump. He doesn't talk like politicians. He talks like "we" talk. He doesn't sugar coat it. He talks straight about the things that worry people.... and so it began.

In the eyes of Republican, and many undecided voters, things haven't gotten any better. Wokeness and cancel culture are largely gone, but in its place is drag queen story hour, DEI, people losing their jobs for saying "all lives matter", cops standing by while businesses are looted. Minnesota politicians calling it a "priviledge" to be able to call the police for help when their house is being robbed and calling or the complete elemination of police. CNN broadcasters standing in front of burning buildings saying idiotic things like "It's a fiery but otherwise peaceful protest". In some cases, people being fired from their job because of something their spouse posted on line. Then there's the lie of a stolen election that consumed the country. Now, you have the economy and inflation and gas prices combined with a very, IMO, underwhelming Kamala Harris.

Again, there's a significant underlying social media influence here.

So how do republicans "fix":
- drag queen story hour (a business can have whatever story time it wants - how the hell is this even an issue? No one cares)
- DEI (a business can hire whoever it wants)
- people losing their jobs for saying "all lives matter" (a business can fire whoever it wants)
- people being fired from their job because of something their spouse posted on line (a business can fire whoever it wants)

These are all things that private businesses control. So do these Republicans want to not allow private business to make their own decisions or should the government decide what they can or cant do?

 

[superrific]

So how do republicans "fix":
- people losing their jobs for saying "all lives matter" (a business can fire whoever it wants)
- people being fired from their job because of something their spouse posted on line (a business can fire whoever it wants)

Plus most of that shit never happened.

 

[05C40]

Or, maybe he's so squeaky clean that they gave up looking and hope that not recalling an exact date, 35 years ago, of his trip to China.

I hope that is the case. But given who it is who ordered the "looking," I have to believe that they are under orders to keep looking. Because those currently in charge of the GOP have such despicable behavior in their own pasts that they just assume it's the same for everyone.

 

[UNCatTech]

There's so much to talk about when talking about the rise of Trump. It would take 100 pages to cover it all. Social media played a big role, but I'm not going to get into that.

In general, I think people saw things happening that scared them. If you were concerned about illegal border crossings, you're a labeled a racist. If you are against affirmative action, you're a racist. As part of wokeness, people were losing their jobs for what was essentially thought crimes or because they were white and dressed up as a black celebrity 20 years ago. There were censorship and free speech concerns and there was no faith in the current Republican party or it's politicians to address the issue. We had just come off of the Romney/Obama election... two guys who were, politically, about as close to being the same as any two politicians ever in the Presidential race.

Along come Trump. He doesn't talk like politicians. He talks like "we" talk. He doesn't sugar coat it. He talks straight about the things that worry people.... and so it began.

In the eyes of Republican, and many undecided voters, things haven't gotten any better. Wokeness and cancel culture are largely gone, but in its place is drag queen story hour, DEI, people losing their jobs for saying "all lives matter", cops standing by while businesses are looted. Minnesota politicians calling it a "priviledge" to be able to call the police for help when their house is being robbed and calling or the complete elemination of police. CNN broadcasters standing in front of burning buildings saying idiotic things like "It's a fiery but otherwise peaceful protest". In some cases, people being fired from their job because of something their spouse posted on line. Then there's the lie of a stolen election that consumed the country. Now, you have the economy and inflation and gas prices combined with a very, IMO, underwhelming Kamala Harris.

Again, there's a significant underlying social media influence here.

You believe trump talks like we talk?

He talks nothing like me or any of my friends.

We don't stand in front of people and mock the disabled, we don't disrespect our military, we don't constantly lie.

I will agree that there is something unnerving about political talk from career politicians. But trump isn't the answer. He's not better, different, yes, better, unequivocally no. He is far worse.

 

[mynameisbond]

So how do you think Republicans will handle it when they discover that all their worries were a pack of lies and that they sold their birthright for a metaphorical bowl of porridge?

By then it will be too late, if Trump wins. He gets to stay out of jail and brings the country closer to a totalitarian state, then rides off into the sunset to enjoy his tax breaks.

 

[BlooVooDoo]

That is a fair and accurate summary of the MAGA movement as a whole, IMHO. Trump gives the illusion of being a champion of the little guy. Someone who cares about protecting citizens from the "deep state", elitists, intellectuals, the media, and other people who perceive the world differently than them. He gives them scapegoats for all of the perceived ills and unfairness they hold dear, and hearkens them back to an idyllic yesteryear that never existed. A time when the USA was free from racial unrest, high crime, inflation, unwanted immigrants, scientific warnings of climate change, dependence on imported oil, and all manner of other worries. He's a populist entertainer who will say whatever his audience wants to hear, without regard to truth or logic.

The persistence of this illusion suggests the marks want to be conned, so long as it provides cover for their base emotions.

 

[UNCatTech]

I'm not saying that at all. Obviously there are racists in the country, but not 72 million... or however many votes Trump got last election. I also don't think, at all, that everyone that voted from Trump in 2016 was racist.

I believe the majority of trump voters in 2016 consisted of people that believed in the expected elevated position of white men.

That manifest in many ways.
Hating that a black man had been elected.
Being a flat out racist.
Believing women shouldn't be leaders.
Believing men are above women in general.
Believing that there was an active movement to equalize others with that perceived exalted status of the white man.

I'm sure not all fell into this category. But the fact that they didn't call out their fellow Republicans that did is almost as damning as being in the racist and misogynistic group.

 

[UNCatTech]

Trans/Drag queen may have been post 2012, but Wokeness, which was directly associated with, among other things, cancel culture and constant accusations of racism, happened during Obama's second term.

American Vernacular English (AAVE) and has a long history in Black culture:
The word "woke" originated in African American Vernacular English (AAVE) and has a long history in Black culture:

Black protest songs
The phrase "stay woke" was used in Black protest songs as early as the 1930s. For example, Lead Belly's 1938 song "Scottsboro Boys" includes the lyrics "In Alabama, be careful and stay woke"

• Black Power movement
  The word was first used in the context of the Black Power movement in Harlem.
  
  
• • Erykah Badu's "Master Teacher"
    Erykah Badu's 2008 song "Master Teacher" is credited with reintroducing "stay woke" to the modern lexicon.
    
  • Black Lives Matter movement
    The phrase gained more widespread use in 2014 as part of the Black Lives Matter movement.
    
  • Social media
    The word's spread has been aided by social media, where hashtags like #staywoke are used to discuss current events.
    

"Woke" is defined as being aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues, especially issues of racial and social justice. It has evolved over time to also be used as slang for a broader awareness of social inequalities such as sexism and denial of LGBT rights.

 

[ZenMode]

That's probably because it is almost definitionally racist. Migrants don't harm the country. Scapegoating brown people for ills they have nothing to do with is racism. Full stop.

There is no reasonable argument that "the border" is among the policies that most affect Americans' lives. And yet MAGAs consider it the #1 priority. Hmm. I wonder why? And no issue attracts quite so many lies, and such despicable ones, as this precisely because the entire commotion is invented.

Climate change does way, way, way more damage to Americans than migrants. And yet MAGAs aren't interested in it. They deny it even exists. Gee, I wonder why. Education quality hurts Americans way, way, way more than migrants. And yet. Corporate consolidation? Way more harmful. Crypto? Way more harmful. And yet.

Sam Bankman-Fried, Robert Allen Stanford and Bernie Madoff cost Americans more than migrants do. The financial crisis of 2008 was orders of magnitude more destructive. So are hurricanes. And yet the focus is on the poor brown people. I'm sorry, but that's almost definitionally racist. And Trump's claims about "bad genes" ARE definitionally racist and yet nobody from Team Red dares step forward to say anything.

See, the problem here is that conservatives aren't nearly as good as they think they are at hiding their racial animus. Liberals see it. Then conservatives get angry that they are exposed and MAGA is the result. At this point, MAGA is little more than ritualized anger and resentment. Liberals didn't do that. No liberal policy did that. It's on the GOP.

Thanks for making my point.

 

[SmilingJack]

There's so much to talk about when talking about the rise of Trump. It would take 100 pages to cover it all. Social media played a big role, but I'm not going to get into that.

In general, I think people saw things happening that scared them. If you were concerned about illegal border crossings, you're a labeled a racist. If you are against affirmative action, you're a racist. As part of wokeness, people were losing their jobs for what was essentially thought crimes or because they were white and dressed up as a black celebrity 20 years ago. There were censorship and free speech concerns and there was no faith in the current Republican party or it's politicians to address the issue. We had just come off of the Romney/Obama election... two guys who were, politically, about as close to being the same as any two politicians ever in the Presidential race.

Along come Trump. He doesn't talk like politicians. He talks like "we" talk. He doesn't sugar coat it. He talks straight about the things that worry people.... and so it began.

In the eyes of Republican, and many undecided voters, things haven't gotten any better. Wokeness and cancel culture are largely gone, but in its place is drag queen story hour, DEI, people losing their jobs for saying "all lives matter", cops standing by while businesses are looted. Minnesota politicians calling it a "priviledge" to be able to call the police for help when their house is being robbed and calling or the complete elemination of police. CNN broadcasters standing in front of burning buildings saying idiotic things like "It's a fiery but otherwise peaceful protest". In some cases, people being fired from their job because of something their spouse posted on line. Then there's the lie of a stolen election that consumed the country. Now, you have the economy and inflation and gas prices combined with a very, IMO, underwhelming Kamala Harris.

Again, there's a significant underlying social media influence here.

So you don't even mention the "Birther" crap your man Drumph and the Pubs ran with? That was the seed planted that turned into the full blown White Christian supremacist you just completely effing dance over? In the words of Joe Biden "Come on man!"

 

[ZenMode]

American Vernacular English (AAVE) and has a long history in Black culture:
The word "woke" originated in African American Vernacular English (AAVE) and has a long history in Black culture:

Black protest songs
The phrase "stay woke" was used in Black protest songs as early as the 1930s. For example, Lead Belly's 1938 song "Scottsboro Boys" includes the lyrics "In Alabama, be careful and stay woke"

• Black Power movement
  The word was first used in the context of the Black Power movement in Harlem.
  
  
• • Erykah Badu's "Master Teacher"
    Erykah Badu's 2008 song "Master Teacher" is credited with reintroducing "stay woke" to the modern lexicon.
  • Black Lives Matter movement
    The phrase gained more widespread use in 2014 as part of the Black Lives Matter movement.
  • Social media
    The word's spread has been aided by social media, where hashtags like #staywoke are used to discuss current events.

"Woke" is defined as being aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues, especially issues of racial and social justice. It has evolved over time to also be used as slang for a broader awareness of social inequalities such as sexism and denial of LGBT rights.

Yep and around 2010, as words are known to do on occasion, "woke" had a change in meaning.

 

[finesse]

Yep and around 2010, as words are known to do on occasion, "woke" had a change in meaning.

As usual, a unilateral move by the Republicans.

 

[lightbluenc]

Yep and around 2010, as words are known to do on occasion, "woke" had a change in meaning.

Only to racists and homophobes. Did it change meaning for you?

 

[ZenMode]

So how do republicans "fix":
- drag queen story hour (a business can have whatever story time it wants - how the hell is this even an issue? No one cares)
- DEI (a business can hire whoever it wants)
- people losing their jobs for saying "all lives matter" (a business can fire whoever it wants)
- people being fired from their job because of something their spouse posted on line (a business can fire whoever it wants)

These are all things that private businesses control. So do these Republicans want to not allow private business to make their own decisions or should the government decide what they can or cant do?

True. When I reference "Democratic Party", I'm not referencing just Congress, the president, governors, etc. Congressional Dems didn't implement cancel culture, but it's associated with Democrats. Neither Congress, nor any Dem politician, planned Drag queen book reading for kids, but it's associated to Dems and Dem ideals.

 

[ZenMode]

Only to racists and homophobes. Did it change meaning for you?

Until it's new meaning became a thing, I had never used the term.....ever.

BTW, you are also making my point.

 

[lightbluenc]

Until it's new meaning became a thing, I had never used the term.....ever.

BTW, you are also making my point.

I can’t tell what the fuck your point is other than arguing for the sake of arguing.

You make absolutely zero sense whatsoever.

I assume your point is republicans are racists assholes and love other racist assholes and blame democrats because they are racist assholes.