4thgenheel
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well, we have a lot of morons who don't troll.Sure, but how do you distinguish someone who is a troll from someone who is simply a moron?
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well, we have a lot of morons who don't troll.Sure, but how do you distinguish someone who is a troll from someone who is simply a moron?
I'm not sure the German people would agree with you. I don't think it's a coincidence that the internet hate-o-sphere emerged at the same time as the resurgence of neo-Nazi activity in the past decade.I am never in favor of outright banning based on ideology. Excessive baiting/trolling for the sake of riling people up? Sure, that's something to police. But no virtual space ever improved by simply banning dissenting viewpoints, even incredibly stupid and destructive ones.
I don't think it's a coincidence that the internet hate-o-sphere emerged at the same time as the resurgence of neo-Nazi activity in the past decade.
MAGA folks root for the bad guys in movies. They love the attention they get by thumbing their noses at the rules and the “experts”. You can’t talk reason with them because they don’t give a shit about reasoning.
Sort of a human condition thing. It all ties together with the mob/thug hockey team mentality. The global right-wing simply lacks the ability to empathize with “the other”. They like their red meat, they like their “strong man”. They like their leaders to be like John Wayne toilet paper.The thing about MAGA that is most interesting to me is that it's not limited to America. There are exactly this same type of political mobs in Hungary, Brazil, Philippines, India, France, Italy, the Middle East, Russia....you name it. IMO you can't understand MAGA without having some sort of sense of the global right-wing retrenchment that it is *one* instance of.
They very much dislike weaker, less-than, effeminate types. Soyboys, tree huggers, Green anything. They like to kill other things. Period. They like to kill. Whether or not they need to kill in order to eat and survive, they just want to kill stuff even if just for sport. If they see a turtle trying to cross the road, they don’t swerve their car (I should say truck) to miss it. And they certainly wouldn’t stop their vehicle to help the little guy across the road… no. On the contrary, they’re more apt to purposefully run over the poor guy…. And they would actually get their rocks off doing it.
As an animal and pet lover, I take great offense at your accusation of MAGA as lovers of cruelty to animals. What a gross generalization and exaggeration.
No, full eradication of mammal testing. Only the FDA has committed to it.I guess you'll find it ironic that the Trump Administration in its first term set goals for Federal Agencies such as FDA, NIH and EPA reducing animal testing by 30% by 2025 and full eradication of animal testing by 2035. In his second term, Trump and the agencies are moving full steam ahead and has even removed all deadlines according to a May 14, 2025 VOX article. PETA spokesman praised the Administration stating that these policies were "among the biggest news there's ever been for animals in laboratories."
According to the Washington Times, new EPA Administrator Lee Zeldin plans to reinstate the phaseout of mammal testing (the Biden Admn reversed Trump 1.0 policy). Zeldin has a history of pushing to end animal experiments while in Congress, including an effort to end cat and dog research at the Department of Veterans Affairs.No, full eradication of mammal testing. Only the FDA has committed to it.
But you understand WHY they are cutting it, right? It's not because they care about the animals. It's because they want to cripple the science. The EPA took several measures in Trump 1.0 in an attempt to kneecap scientific inquiries into toxins. This is just another step along that same path. The goal is to throw sand in as many gears as possible to slow down environmental regulations.
From the article that you're citing:I guess you'll find it ironic that the Trump Administration in its first term set goals for Federal Agencies such as FDA, NIH and EPA reducing animal testing by 30% by 2025 and full eradication of animal testing by 2035. In his second term, Trump and the agencies are moving full steam ahead and has even removed all deadlines according to a May 14, 2025 VOX article. PETA spokesman praised the Administration stating that these policies were "among the biggest news there's ever been for animals in laboratories."
Sounds like Zeldin and MAGA love animals!
1. LOL at citing the Washington Times. Even my very conservative judge dumped on that rag.According to the Washington Times, new EPA Administrator Lee Zeldin plans to reinstate the phaseout of mammal testing (the Biden Admn reversed Trump 1.0 policy). Zeldin has a history of pushing to end animal experiments while in Congress, including an effort to end cat and dog research at the Department of Veterans Affairs.
Sounds like Zeldin and MAGA love animals! Certainly not the animal sadists Centerpiece described.
Good rebuttal, in a good faith discussion. For the folks actively posting and lurking who did not know these truths, I hope they find it valuable. I assure you, Ram got satisfaction from the notion of you wasting your time “debating “ him; he doesn’t care a bit for any of the presented facts or reason.You might want to check facts before assuming your dear leader loves animals
1. Weakening Endangered Species Act - The Trump admin are proposing significant changes to the ESA that would great limit the ability to protect animals in the future. One notable example is reducing the scope of "harm" to protected animals to exclude destruction of habitat. They are also wanting to include economic considerations when determining if a species should be designated as endangered.
2. Increased Hunting on Public Lands - The Trump admin has opened up millions of acres of public land to sport hurting including on federal lands that were restricted national wildlife refuges. The impacts of these disruptions will hamper conservation and lead to destruction of natural ecosystems.
3. Environmental Deregulation - The admin has repeatedly rolled back environmental regulations that are leading to more polluted water and air. The expansion of fossil fuel mining is doing similar.
4. Climate Change Denialism - Removing the US from the Paris Climate Agreement and generally supporting climate change denialism will help usher in massive threats to animals by altering habitats.
5. Trophy Hunting - The Trump admin lifted bans on importing elephant and lion trophies from Africa. If you mean MAGA loves hanging dead animals on their walls maybe you have a point.
Tell me more about how MAGA loves animals
You might want to check facts before assuming your dear leader loves animals
1. Weakening Endangered Species Act - The Trump admin are proposing significant changes to the ESA that would great limit the ability to protect animals in the future. One notable example is reducing the scope of "harm" to protected animals to exclude destruction of habitat. They are also wanting to include economic considerations when determining if a species should be designated as endangered.
2. Increased Hunting on Public Lands - The Trump admin has opened up millions of acres of public land to sport hurting including on federal lands that were restricted national wildlife refuges. The impacts of these disruptions will hamper conservation and lead to destruction of natural ecosystems.
3. Environmental Deregulation - The admin has repeatedly rolled back environmental regulations that are leading to more polluted water and air. The expansion of fossil fuel mining is doing similar.
4. Climate Change Denialism - Removing the US from the Paris Climate Agreement and generally supporting climate change denialism will help usher in massive threats to animals by altering habitats.
5. Trophy Hunting - The Trump admin lifted bans on importing elephant and lion trophies from Africa. If you mean MAGA loves hanging dead animals on their walls maybe you have a point.
Tell me more about how MAGA loves animals
Oh you mean diversity?I don't know if this is a popular opinion or not, but I do hope we get some conservatives on here.
Variety is the spice of life and all that
Ok, so they like animals as long as they animals don't impact building and developing?This Act has been misused by environmentalists for stopping or delaying development. These groups have taken extreme positions on enforcement of the Act. That is the point of the changes to the ESA NOT any hatred of animals.
Enjoying hunting does not mean one hates animals. In many cases hunting is needed to reduce animal population.
Your biased opinion
Your interpretation of the "benefit" of the Paris Agreement. A stretch to equate this with a hatred of animals.
Admit, I haven't heard of this one. If true, then I oppose the Administration on the lifting of this ban.
I really don't see a love or hatred of animals as a particularly political position - that was my original point in response to Centerpiece's post. Plenty of conservatives and liberals who deeply care about animals and particularly their pets.
There is already evidence of how climate change is impacting animals. Republican administration's clearly oppose any combat of climate change, they want to pretend it doesn't exist.This Act has been misused by environmentalists for stopping or delaying development. These groups have taken extreme positions on enforcement of the Act. That is the point of the changes to the ESA NOT any hatred of animals.
Enjoying hunting does not mean one hates animals. In many cases hunting is needed to reduce animal population.
Your biased opinion
Your interpretation of the "benefit" of the Paris Agreement. A stretch to equate this with a hatred of animals.
Admit, I haven't heard of this one. If true, then I oppose the Administration on the lifting of this ban.
I really don't see a love or hatred of animals as a particularly political position - that was my original point in response to Centerpiece's post. Plenty of conservatives and liberals who deeply care about animals and particularly their pets.
And inclusion.Oh you mean diversity?
I'm going to say that bringing up people's care for their pets in response to a drive-by statement about the cruelty of conservatism vis-a-vis random animals on the street is little more than a non sequitur. Conservatism as an ideology is defined by the difference between how one thinks and cares about those close to them versus everybody else; that was the whole point that seemingly went over your head.I really don't see a love or hatred of animals as a particularly political position - that was my original point in response to Centerpiece's post. Plenty of conservatives and liberals who deeply care about animals and particularly their pets.