Is this why Dem’s Approval Rating Polls are so bad?

[superrific]

This attitude is becoming increasingly prevalent among young people on the left

That's been true for three generations. Y'all are optimists. Good thing. If you were as cynical as a fifty-something as a twenty-something, you'd be Gen X and we know how they fucked everything up.

 

[superrific]

Why is name placement important ? because voters tend to vote for the top name on the ballot in off year elections.The incumbent may have been a meek back bench rep. but he did understand election politics

Every state I've voted in, that I can remember, randomized placement on ballots and indeed different ballots had different placements.

 

[Healing]

Thanks for proving my point, lynch. That's exactly the kind of stupid bullshit you used to say under your old username, too. And I'll tell you who I am. I'm someone who thinks that anyone who changes usernames on a message board community is a pussy of the highest magnitude and worthy of derision.

Ha, he completely gave himself away with that one. lynch pulled the exact same rebuttal on me multiple times in the covid thread.

 

[CFordUNC]

Ha, he completely gave himself away with that one. lynch pulled the exact same rebuttal on me multiple times in the covid thread.

Yeah. Changing your name on a message board is peak cowardice. And especially in such a relatively small community such as this one where the regulars interact almost daily for years. It's easy as hell to pick up on people's posting styles, the phrasing they use, the things they say, etc. Such a cuck move, but then again, cuck fits lynch34 to perfection.

 

[Healing]

Yeah. Changing your name on a message board is peak cowardice. And especially in such a relatively small community such as this one where the regulars interact almost daily for years. It's easy as hell to pick up on people's posting styles, the phrasing they use, the things they say, etc. Such a cuck move, but then again, that fits lynch34 to perfection.

Well, I use to be HeelingAg, so there’s that …

 

[CFordUNC]

Yeah but you kept the same avatar I think, right? Plus, yours is close enough and I like you!

 

[heelinhell]

Every state I've voted in, that I can remember, randomized placement on ballots and indeed different ballots had different placements.

Have you ever voted in the 4th district of North Carolina ?

 

[Icky Mettle]

Yeah. Changing your name on a message board is peak cowardice. And especially in such a relatively small community such as this one where the regulars interact almost daily for years. It's easy as hell to pick up on people's posting styles, the phrasing they use, the things they say, etc. Such a cuck move, but then again, cuck fits lynch34 to perfection.

Hey now. I changed my name when I signed up for this board. Not trying to hide who I was/am on IC (premiumblublooded); just never really cared for my IC handle.

 

[CFordUNC]

Hey now. I changed my name when I signed up for this board. Not trying to hide who I was/am on IC (premiumblublooded); just never really cared for my IC handle.

Ha, fair enough, fair enough! I rescind my statement. In *some* cases, changing one's username on a message board is for perfectly legitimate reasons.

In lynch's case, he did so because everyone rightfully got tired of his bullshit and he became a pariah because of his pigheadedness. That's cowardly, IMO.

 

[superrific]

Have you ever voted in the 4th district of North Carolina ?

I don't remember what district I was in when I voted in NC (it was only one election). I wasn't questioning you. I mean, surely you know the rules of your own contest better than I do. I was merely saying that I find it odd because it's not how I've seen it done in the past.

 

[Kingpin]

As someone who also grew up in rural, small-town NC (in the foothills) I can say that this is also 100% my experience in dealing with working-class rural white Trumpers and Republicans generally. My parents and some relatives still live in my old hometown, and so I still have frequent contact with these people. And they do see themselves as kindly people who love to help their neighbors - as long as said neighbors look like them and think like them and come from the same demographic group (tribe, really) as they are. Once you move beyond that group, though, their compassion and concern quickly disappears. The community I grew up in was remarkably homogeneous - nearly all white, native-born (as in born and raised in that area), Baptist, and with few outsiders of any kind. And those are the people they care about and are comfortable being with. Once you move beyond that narrow group their friendliness and interest tends to evaporate and is replaced by suspicion, awkwardness, and even fear. And yes, they do talk often (usually based on what they see and hear on Fox News) about how dangerous and fearsome the world outside their little community or region is - too many immigrants and minorities and people who are not like them, nobody goes to church apparently, big cities are dangerous, crime-ridden hellholes, and so on. And "those people" need to be kept under control by police and have their welfare cut because they're living it up on welfare while good people like them are struggling to get by. It's like a broken record, really.

You just described my sister and BIL to a T

 

[MendotoManteo]

This week represents 10 years since Trump came down that escalator in NY to declare himself a candidate in 2015. The Democrats have basically run against Trump for that entire time, assuming that his negatives will give them victory.

But during that entire time their message became hijacked by the Progressive wing of their party. What do the Dems stand for other than opposing Trump? A porous border, trans women in sports, DEI? That's apparently what enough Americans thought about Dems to elect Trump again.

The Democratic candidate who can figure out what Americans want will helpfully lead us out of the huge mess Trump will create in the next 3.5 years.

I see your point but also disagree.

The Progressive wing of the Democratic Party never took over. To the extent you decry social issue messaging, that was largely a cultural development. It obviously backfired. But that's not because of the party.

And a "porous border"? Are you serious?

Anyhow, Americans are dumb as shit. And spoiled out of their minds. You can criticize that take if you want, but there are two main reasons the Democratic Party has failed these past 10 years since Trump came down that escalator:

1. They do not have anything close to a comparable media machine, like conservatives, despite all the bullshit from the right about how the left controls all media. You have to hit that shit day after day after day. Keep on message. People won't care about Trump when you don't have a Fox News machine that hits him day after day after day. And when you have leaders, like Schumer, who still thinks apparently it's the 1990s and can go to black tie events with him. Conservatives don't play around. Because they have no actual values, they put everything into messaging (and have most of the money, admittedly). And they win.

2. Regarding the Progessive wing, actually, the party should be more progressive. At least about economics. Studies show Americans always support Democratic policies, as long as they don't know they're "Democratic." Because, again, Americans are dumb assholes. The Democratic Party should go all in on progressive economic policies. Stop bullshitting around.

I fully believe Bernie would have beaten Trump in 2016, had he gotten the Democratic candidacy. And none of this would even be happening now.

 

[MendotoManteo]

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the Republican Party has, rightfully, determined that the American people are largely just a bunch of stupid assholes. And they play to it.

Time the Democratic Party did the same.

 

[MendotoManteo]

Lizared brain receptor. Primary rule of politics. Fear and emotion.

Go on media and run a commercial:

"Trump says it's a 'big, beautiful bill,' but is it? He's going to cut Medicaid and Social Security. Do Trump and Republicans want to kill your grandmother?"

Have a damn grandmother-looking woman with fear in her eyes.

This really isn't difficult. Democrats and liberals are just such good-faith and, frankly, pussy actors that they won't do it.

 

[Paine]

Lizared brain receptor. Primary rule of politics. Fear and emotion.

Go on media and run a commercial:

"Trump says it's a 'big, beautiful bill,' but is it? He's going to cut Medicaid and Social Security. Do Trump and Republicans want to kill your grandmother?"

Have a damn grandmother-looking woman with fear in her eyes.

This really isn't difficult. Democrats and liberals are just such good-faith and, frankly, pussy actors that they won't do it.

Good to see you Mendo. If you have some time on your hands, I think you’d get something from reading my posts on this thread.

 

[Zoo_View]

I see your point but also disagree.

The Progressive wing of the Democratic Party never took over. To the extent you decry social issue messaging, that was largely a cultural development. It obviously backfired. But that's not because of the party.

And a "porous border"? Are you serious?

Anyhow, Americans are dumb as shit. And spoiled out of their minds. You can criticize that take if you want, but there are two main reasons the Democratic Party has failed these past 10 years since Trump came down that escalator:

1. They do not have anything close to a comparable media machine, like conservatives, despite all the bullshit from the right about how the left controls all media. You have to hit that shit day after day after day. Keep on message. People won't care about Trump when you don't have a Fox News machine that hits him day after day after day. And when you have leaders, like Schumer, who still thinks apparently it's the 1990s and can go to black tie events with him. Conservatives don't play around. Because they have no actual values, they put everything into messaging (and have most of the money, admittedly). And they win.

2. Regarding the Progessive wing, actually, the party should be more progressive. At least about economics. Studies show Americans always support Democratic policies, as long as they don't know they're "Democratic." Because, again, Americans are dumb assholes. The Democratic Party should go all in on progressive economic policies. Stop bullshitting around.

I fully believe Bernie would have beaten Trump in 2016, had he gotten the Democratic candidacy. And none of this would even be happening now.

“Marxist!” “Communist!” “Socialist!”

Bernie would have been “dead man walking” by Labor Day.

 

[MendotoManteo]

“Marxist!” “Communist!” “Socialist!”

Bernie would have been “dead man walking” by Labor Day.

I get what you're saying, but the candidate was Hillary.

People were buying what Bernie was selling. And I'm not a "Bernie Bro."

I think you're wrong. I think he would have beaten Trump. But alas, we'll never know.

I do know, however, that Hillary didn't beat Trump. As I said at the time that she would not.

 

[MendotoManteo]

Good to see you Mendo. If you have some time on your hands, I think you’d get something from reading my posts on this thread.

Hey Paine! Thank you! Good to see you still around here as well. I only get on every so often.

I spend most of my days off drunk and smoking. In fact, I'm drunk and smoking now.

But how a drunk guy, who smokes as well, can see these things is beyond me. Sober people ought to recognize.

I haven't seen your posts. If I can manage I will do so. But, for now, I'm just going to keep drinking and smoking.

 

[Zoo_View]

I get what you're saying, but the candidate was Hillary.

People were buying what Bernie was selling. And I'm not a "Bernie Bro."

I think you're wrong. I think he would have beaten Trump. But alas, we'll never know.

I do know, however, that Hillary didn't beat Trump. As I said at the time that she would not.

Centrists would have RUN fast and hard from Bernie.

I doubt black voters would have turned out for Bernie.

I agree Hillary was an atrocious candidate.

 

[MendotoManteo]

Centrists would have RUN fast and hard from Bernie.

I doubt black voters would have turned out for Bernie.

I agree Hillary was an atrocious candidate.

Perhaps, but I think we're largely considering these things on the grounds conservatives have established for us.

Hillary was basically just a Reaganist. As most all Democrats have been since his era.

Democrats need to reconfigure American media. Without doing so, they don't stand a chance any longer, barring some great debacle from Trump and Republicans (which is, admittedly likely, because they're dumb as shit.) Despite their great stupidity, most Americans saw how he mismanaged Covid and was a general dumbass. And, because of their great stupidity, they decided it best to put him back into power, despite attempting a coup and fact that inflation was a worldwide problem we had handled the best of all.

But Democrats can't wait on dumbass Americans figuring it out on their own this time around. They need to be proactive.