Is this why Dem’s Approval Rating Polls are so bad?

Paine said:
You’re mistaking hostility to unions or outsiders as proof of ingrained cultural reaction, when it’s actually proof of how thoroughly the emotional terrain of politics has been shaped by decades of propaganda, repression, and disinvestment. These attitudes weren’t inevitable; they were produced. And that means they can be changed.

We don’t have to romanticize the past. But we do need to remember that working-class people, even in hostile terrain, have shown again and again that they can organize, change, and fight for each other. The idea that it’s never happened is just wrong. And it quietly justifies not trying.
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I’m not arguing why or how it happened, I’m saying the hostility to organized labor anywhere south of West Virginia coal mines was real, particularly in the textile and furniture industries. The exception was Alabama, the most unionized state in the south, thanks to the steel industry in Birmingham and the shipbuilding and port workers in Mobile.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Oh, bullshit. I see plenty of Democrats who fly the American flag, Trumpers hardly have a monopoly on the American flag. And I know plenty of military vets who are Democrats and proudly wear their uniforms and such when it's appropriate. And plenty of Trumpers complain about the country all the time, especially when Democrats are in office. Trump himself has said the country was going to hell under Biden (or would have under Hillary or Kamala) and that if he didn't win then the country was finished. Republicans trash America all the time whenever a Democrat is in office. And using your analogy what do all those Trumpers who fly the Confederate flag indicate? Neither Republicans nor Democrats have a monopoly on these sorts of things, unless you're a Republican (not the middle, but a Republican) who is looking for something to justify your dislike of Democrats.
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My point remains.

If you show a swing voter a picture of a person waving an American flag and ask what party they are - 80% would say Republican.

If you show the same voter a picture of someone saying I support the military - 80% would say Republican.

If you hear someone say that fundamentally this country is evil and wicked - 80% would think Democrat.

You can give examples singularly but there’s no doubt I’m right and that’s the problem with the party.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Any political party has to win the middle.

When you see someone with an American flag, you know they aren’t Democrats.

When you see someone with a tshirt that supports the military, not Democrats.

When you see someone saying the country is evil and a huge problem for the world, Democrats.

Rightly or wrongly, these things do not capture the middle. The Democrats come off as a party that doesn’t like where they live.
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Shut the fuck up, lynch. You are a fucking dipshit. I vote Democratic these days and not only do I fly an American flag on the front of my house, I have a triangular-folded American flag proudly in a case in my home office, I have my late grandfathers' and my KIA cousin's Army dogtags all displayed next to it, and I have a U.S. Naval Academy flag on the wall in my home office from my time there. I love the United States of America and the United States armed forces as much as any red-blooded sister-fucking patriotic-cosplaying conservative. There are plenty more Democrats, centrists, and independents like me out there who feel the exact same. Get the fuck out of here with your bullshit.
 
Just a reminder for everyone that HintonJamesHeel joined IC in late November 2023, which was incidentally the same exact time that lynch34 pussied out of the ZZLP. If you ever get to wondering why HintonJamesHeel's posts sound so fucking stupid and eerily similar to how stupid lynch34's sounded, now you know why!
 
NY Times reporter
In the briefing, Hegseth referred to B-2 pilots as "our boys on those bombers," yet both men and women have trained to fly them.

That’s why Democrats lose. Everything is looked at in the oddest way.
 
CFordUNC said:
Shut the fuck up, lynch. You are a fucking dipshit. I vote Democratic these days and not only do I fly an American flag on the front of my house, I have a triangular-folded American flag proudly in a case in my home office, I have my late grandfathers' and my KIA cousin's Army dogtags all displayed next to it, and I have a U.S. Naval Academy flag on the wall in my home office from my time there. I love the United States of America and the United States armed forces as much as any red-blooded sister-fucking patriotic-cosplaying conservative. There are plenty more Democrats, centrists, and independents like me out there who feel the exact same. Get the fuck out of here with your bullshit.
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lol - who are you? I have no clue.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
lol - who are you? I have no clue.
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Thanks for proving my point, lynch. That's exactly the kind of stupid bullshit you used to say under your old username, too. And I'll tell you who I am. I'm someone who thinks that anyone who changes usernames on a message board community is a pussy of the highest magnitude and worthy of derision.
 
Paine said:
This attitude is becoming increasingly prevalent among young people on the left
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That's been true for three generations. Y'all are optimists. Good thing. If you were as cynical as a fifty-something as a twenty-something, you'd be Gen X and we know how they fucked everything up.
 
heelinhell said:
Why is name placement important ? because voters tend to vote for the top name on the ballot in off year elections.The incumbent may have been a meek back bench rep. but he did understand election politics ;)
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Every state I've voted in, that I can remember, randomized placement on ballots and indeed different ballots had different placements.
 
Healing said:
Ha, he completely gave himself away with that one. lynch pulled the exact same rebuttal on me multiple times in the covid thread.
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Yeah. Changing your name on a message board is peak cowardice. And especially in such a relatively small community such as this one where the regulars interact almost daily for years. It's easy as hell to pick up on people's posting styles, the phrasing they use, the things they say, etc. Such a cuck move, but then again, cuck fits lynch34 to perfection.
 
Yeah but you kept the same avatar I think, right? Plus, yours is close enough and I like you!
 
CFordUNC said:
Yeah. Changing your name on a message board is peak cowardice. And especially in such a relatively small community such as this one where the regulars interact almost daily for years. It's easy as hell to pick up on people's posting styles, the phrasing they use, the things they say, etc. Such a cuck move, but then again, cuck fits lynch34 to perfection.
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Hey now. I changed my name when I signed up for this board. Not trying to hide who I was/am on IC (premiumblublooded); just never really cared for my IC handle.
 
Icky Mettle said:
Hey now. I changed my name when I signed up for this board. Not trying to hide who I was/am on IC (premiumblublooded); just never really cared for my IC handle.
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Ha, fair enough, fair enough! I rescind my statement. In *some* cases, changing one's username on a message board is for perfectly legitimate reasons.

In lynch's case, he did so because everyone rightfully got tired of his bullshit and he became a pariah because of his pigheadedness. That's cowardly, IMO.
 
heelinhell said:
Have you ever voted in the 4th district of North Carolina ?
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I don't remember what district I was in when I voted in NC (it was only one election). I wasn't questioning you. I mean, surely you know the rules of your own contest better than I do. I was merely saying that I find it odd because it's not how I've seen it done in the past.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
As someone who also grew up in rural, small-town NC (in the foothills) I can say that this is also 100% my experience in dealing with working-class rural white Trumpers and Republicans generally. My parents and some relatives still live in my old hometown, and so I still have frequent contact with these people. And they do see themselves as kindly people who love to help their neighbors - as long as said neighbors look like them and think like them and come from the same demographic group (tribe, really) as they are. Once you move beyond that group, though, their compassion and concern quickly disappears. The community I grew up in was remarkably homogeneous - nearly all white, native-born (as in born and raised in that area), Baptist, and with few outsiders of any kind. And those are the people they care about and are comfortable being with. Once you move beyond that narrow group their friendliness and interest tends to evaporate and is replaced by suspicion, awkwardness, and even fear. And yes, they do talk often (usually based on what they see and hear on Fox News) about how dangerous and fearsome the world outside their little community or region is - too many immigrants and minorities and people who are not like them, nobody goes to church apparently, big cities are dangerous, crime-ridden hellholes, and so on. And "those people" need to be kept under control by police and have their welfare cut because they're living it up on welfare while good people like them are struggling to get by. It's like a broken record, really.
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You just described my sister and BIL to a T
 
uncmba said:
This week represents 10 years since Trump came down that escalator in NY to declare himself a candidate in 2015. The Democrats have basically run against Trump for that entire time, assuming that his negatives will give them victory.

But during that entire time their message became hijacked by the Progressive wing of their party. What do the Dems stand for other than opposing Trump? A porous border, trans women in sports, DEI? That's apparently what enough Americans thought about Dems to elect Trump again.

The Democratic candidate who can figure out what Americans want will helpfully lead us out of the huge mess Trump will create in the next 3.5 years.
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I see your point but also disagree.

The Progressive wing of the Democratic Party never took over. To the extent you decry social issue messaging, that was largely a cultural development. It obviously backfired. But that's not because of the party.

And a "porous border"? Are you serious?

Anyhow, Americans are dumb as shit. And spoiled out of their minds. You can criticize that take if you want, but there are two main reasons the Democratic Party has failed these past 10 years since Trump came down that escalator:

1. They do not have anything close to a comparable media machine, like conservatives, despite all the bullshit from the right about how the left controls all media. You have to hit that shit day after day after day. Keep on message. People won't care about Trump when you don't have a Fox News machine that hits him day after day after day. And when you have leaders, like Schumer, who still thinks apparently it's the 1990s and can go to black tie events with him. Conservatives don't play around. Because they have no actual values, they put everything into messaging (and have most of the money, admittedly). And they win.

2. Regarding the Progessive wing, actually, the party should be more progressive. At least about economics. Studies show Americans always support Democratic policies, as long as they don't know they're "Democratic." Because, again, Americans are dumb assholes. The Democratic Party should go all in on progressive economic policies. Stop bullshitting around.

I fully believe Bernie would have beaten Trump in 2016, had he gotten the Democratic candidacy. And none of this would even be happening now.
 
I guess what I'm trying to say is that the Republican Party has, rightfully, determined that the American people are largely just a bunch of stupid assholes. And they play to it.

Time the Democratic Party did the same.
 
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