Israel assaults Iran, pounds Lebanon, Hezbollah

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gregh1 said:
If Kamala wins, we have 4 yrs to get rid of the Netanyahu problem. He clearly isn't supportive of the US (either doesn't care about our interests or actually supports the chaos that Trump will bring). His people deserve better.
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Agreed. Bibi piad off Hamas for years to be a nuisance so that Netanyahu could remain in power.
 
gregh1 said:
If Kamala wins, we have 4 yrs to get rid of the Netanyahu problem. He clearly isn't supportive of the US (either doesn't care about our interests or actually supports the chaos that Trump will bring). His people deserve better.
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Israel is a democracy. How do you recommend Harris "get rid of the Netanyahu problem"
 
Caribou said:
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This sort of thing should be called out but it also appears that there are more cameras than active speakers and the protest is not exactly engaging the students strolling by in the distance.

No matter the topic, it is always a bit of a balancing act to call out extremists without giving a small group undue publicity or implying their extremism has more support than it does.
 
p5mmr9 said:
Israel is a democracy. How do you recommend Harris "get rid of the Netanyahu problem"
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The same way we treat any other leader who is unpredictable instead of being a trusted partner. Start with withholding weapons on condition of Israel doing what we say (starting with cease-fire) and also put out a message to the Isreali people similar to the one Netanyahu sent to the Iranian people: You are good people but your leadership is failing you.

His popularity is mixed. The Iraeli support for "war" or aggression is also mixed.
 
I'm simplifying, and maybe I'm misunderstanding how much they need us, but don't they need us? Or will china be able to supply their weapons?
 
gregh1 said:
I'm simplifying, and maybe I'm misunderstanding how much they need us, but don't they need us? Or will china be able to supply their weapons?
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I just think your responses are a little naive. Israel is a democracy but it's government is very different from our own form of democracy. Minority coalitions have incredible power in Israel's government. Demanding the Israeli's oust Netanyahu will almost certainly result in Netanyahu's poll numbers increasing. The only way the USA could "oust" Netanyahu would be either a 1970s CIA coup or a 2000's GWB style regime change - neither of which are likely.

Israel certainly benefits from the support the USA provides...that can not be argued contrarily. But Israel is a sovereign nation and if the USA pulled all of its support, Israel would do whatever necessary to survive. As noted on this thread - both China and Russia would gladly fill that vacuum. The USA is in a better position to remain involved in the process - however flawed and hopeless that process seems. Our failures with Iran - from the ousting of the Shah to the modern era - are a good demonstration as to why completely turning our back on a nation or government - whether friend of foe - can be counter productive. Even just the last 6 years - would we be where we are right now if Trump hadn't pulled out of the Iran Nuclear agreement? It seems unlikely.
 
p5mmr9 said:
I just think your responses are a little naive. Israel is a democracy but it's government is very different from our own form of democracy. Minority coalitions have incredible power in Israel's government. Demanding the Israeli's oust Netanyahu will almost certainly result in Netanyahu's poll numbers increasing. The only way the USA could "oust" Netanyahu would be either a 1970s CIA coup or a 2000's GWB style regime change - neither of which are likely.
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I didn't mean "oust" necessarily, just alter his approach toward US partnership see here
And I read something in foreignaffairs or something similar which said his popularity might go down if the US applied pressure for such. And ceasefire (and hostage deals) is definitely supported by the majority.
p5mmr9 said:
Even just the last 6 years - would we be where we are right now if Trump hadn't pulled out of the Iran Nuclear agreement? It seems unlikely.
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I suspect the Oct 7 attack and retaliation might've happened regardless of the Nuke Agreement. There were many events that seemed to lead up to the eruption and they were on "bosides". I suppose the Lebanon issue might be different. Curious, who you are referring to by WE? We the american economy or we global humanitarians, or we 'the politicians playing the game of peace-seeking politics during election', etc?
 
October 7th does not happen without Iran's support. Iran would not have supported October 7th if the Nuclear Deal were still in place and the sanctions had been lifted. The whole overarching concept for the deal was trying to bring Iran more into the western world through economic cooperation and dependence. Obviously that doesn't always work - but it seems very unlikely that Iran supports October 7th if the deal framework had been in place. Keep in mind 1) Hamas is directly supported by Iran both financially and militarily and 2) Sinwar's entire theory behind October 7th was that his attack would lead to an all out ME war with Hezbollah and Iran supporting Hamas's actions. He wasn't wrong - although perhaps not as successfully as he would have hoped.

We meaning the global community vis a vis the situation in the middle east.
 
Columbia's pro-Palestinian movement has shifted its stance and is now openly calling for the slaughter of Jewish civilians anywhere in the world:

www.nytimes.com

Pro-Palestinian Group at Columbia Now Backs ‘Armed Resistance’ by Hamas

Columbia University Apartheid Divest has withdrawn an apology it made last spring for a member who said “Zionists don’t deserve to live.”
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Kudos to them for not pretending anymore. We all knew what they meant. At least now they can formally be placed on some watchlists.
 
RaiGuy said:
Need? It's Netanyahu, it's definitely a want. He wants to make it as big and messy as possible. He still hasn't said what the end game is or how it can be achieved.
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Netanyahu has tolerated decades of terrorist attacks on Israel. It was Hamas that escalated the situation, not netanyahu.
 
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