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Israel Hamas War, West Bank, Etc. | Hostilities resume

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HintonJamesHeel said:
Maybe that could be done eventually but not now. Not with Hamas still holding US hostages. Hamas has repeatedly talked about releasing hostages and they simply refuse to do it. The US would never punt on Israel as long as Hamas holds them.
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That's not true. They were abiding by the ceasefire timeline and releasing hostages as scheduled. However, Israel broke the ceasefire around 1000 times and decided they didn't want to proceed to stage 2, which would have included the release of more hostages. Instead, Israel decided to burn down aid centers and stop all aid coming in. I can't believe you still think this is about the hostages. By the way, Israel holds thousands of Palestinian hostages (many of them are women and children), but no one seems to care about that.
 
RaiGuy said:
It wouldn't be the first time. They bombed a hospital a few days ago (with 4 American doctors) because one member of Hamas' political wing was in the hospital. But, of course, they never release any proof for other bombings. They just bomb haphazardly and then claim that there was a reported Hamas member in the area they bombed. Same shit different day.

Speaking of hospitals, Israel executed 16 members of the ambulance crew, among other aid workers. It's kind of funny how when this all started people believed that Israel didn't bomb that hospital back then.



amp.cnn.com

Aid workers reported killed and missing in Gaza as Israeli blockade nears one month | CNN

More than a dozen aid workers have been killed or gone missing in Gaza over the past few days, several groups say, as Israel’s complete blockade of humanitarian aid neared the one-month mark amid its renewed military assault on the Palestinian enclave.
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Israel didn’t bomb the hospital that you are referring to. The fact that you are still peddling conspiracy theories that were debunked by every single western intelligence service is telling.
 
Patb78 said:
I would say WTF? But the IDF has been doing this all along. Look at how America dealt with Jihadi John. A drone videoed him getting into an SUV. A missle was launched from the drone taking out the SUV. The IDF doesn’t care about civilian casualties.
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There are 15k people/sq mile in Gaza. If Israel didn't care about civilians causalities, there would be a LOT more than 50k civilian deaths in over a year of fighting.
 
The headline of this thread is DESPICABLE.

What is happening in Gaza and the West Bank is NOT “hostilities.” It’s WAR.

The WAR hasn’t “resumed.”

The WAR hasn’t stopped.
 
RaiGuy said:
That's not true. They were abiding by the ceasefire timeline and releasing hostages as scheduled. However, Israel broke the ceasefire around 1000 times and decided they didn't want to proceed to stage 2, which would have included the release of more hostages. Instead, Israel decided to burn down aid centers and stop all aid coming in. I can't believe you still think this is about the hostages. By the way, Israel holds thousands of Palestinian hostages (many of them are women and children), but no one seems to care about that.
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Have they released the US hostages? I thought no? There’s no way the US can untangle itself until they are released.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Israel didn’t bomb the hospital that you are referring to. The fact that you are still peddling conspiracy theories that were debunked by every single western intelligence service is telling.
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It’s probably tough for RaiGuy as it sounds like he has people he knows living over there so there’s a bit of grace extended to those who can’t see the full picture. He’s just too close and that’s understandable.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
www.nytimes.com

Gazans Demand End to 18 Years of Hamas Rule

Most protests have been small, but they represent the boldest challenge to the group’s authority by Palestinians since the Hamas-led Oct. 7, 2023, attack on Israel and the ensuing war.
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Most protests have been small, but they represent the boldest challenge to the group’s authority by Palestinians since the Hamas-led Oct. 7, 2023, attack on Israel and the ensuing war.
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These have been going on for a long time. But it's really hard to mount a protest campaign against the people ruling Gaza, when everyone knows their lives are miserable because their enemy -- the enemy Hamas swore to fight -- was maintaining a blockade of supplies, power, drinking water, etc.

When Israel blockaded Gaza after Hamas was elected, they made it so Hamas would never be tossed out absent a major, major conflagration.

This "blame the Palestinian people who have been oppressed for generations" shit really pisses me off.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
It’s probably tough for RaiGuy as it sounds like he has people he knows living over there so there’s a bit of grace extended to those who can’t see the full picture. He’s just too close and that’s understandable.
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Yeah I know. Israel has done enough bad things over there, you’d think he wouldn’t be laser-focused on the bad things that they actually didn’t do.
 
RaiGuy said:
Debunked by whom? And how many times has that same hospital been bombed by Israel after that? At the beginning, Israel cared about public perception until they found out they can get away with whatever they want.
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It’s been obvious for a long time that Hamas builds under hospitals. The good news is the Palestinians have had enough and starting to turn on Hamas.
 
RaiGuy said:
Debunked by whom? And how many times has that same hospital been bombed by Israel after that? At the beginning, Israel cared about public perception until they found out they can get away with whatever they want.
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Debunked by every credible western intelligence service. But I guess “Hamas said that they didn’t do it” is good enough for some people.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
It’s been obvious for a long time that Hamas builds under hospitals. The good news is the Palestinians have had enough and starting to turn on Hamas.
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Hospitals, schools... really any civilian buildings that they believe will deter/slow IDF. If Israel did the same, Hamas wouldn't even flinch before turning the building to rubble. Hamas is using Israel's morality against them.
 
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ZenMode said:
Hospitals, schools... really any civilian buildings that they believe will deter IDF. If Israel did the same, Hamas wouldn't even flinch before turning the building to rubble. Hamas is using Israel's morality against them.
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How is Hamas using Israel's morality against them when they bomb civilian buildings anyways? And to be clear, it is a war crime for Hamas to do this (but it is a war crime to bomb these targets regardless).
 
roostra said:
How is Hamas using Israel's morality against them when they bomb civilian buildings anyways? And to be clear, it is a war crime for Hamas to do this (but it is a war crime to bomb these targets regardless).
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Civilians are sometimes killed. That's a byproduct of war, but Israel tries to limit civilian deaths in a number of ways. That's why, despite over a year of fighting, there are only 50k civilian deaths.
 
ZenMode said:
Civilians are sometimes killed. That's a byproduct of war, but Israel tries to limit civilian deaths in a number of ways. That's why, despite over a year of fighting, there are only 50k civilian deaths.
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Only 50k deaths? Seriously? I don't think the IDF is intentionally trying to maximize civilian casualties, but they certainly are not doing much to minimize them either
 
ZenMode said:
There are 15k people/sq mile in Gaza. If Israel didn't care about civilians causalities, there would be a LOT more than 50k civilian deaths in over a year of fighting.
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Ok, they care. They just care about the civilians in Gaza at approximately the same level a cattle rancher cares about his livestock.
 
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