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[ZenMode]

does it strike you as funny and telling that you have to repeatedly JCD the morality and virtue of a sovereign nation as it commits a slew of war crimes and atrocities while the rest of us point out how awful it all is and only attempt to defend the civilians who are being decimated and not the terrorist organization?

Whether or not a 'slew' of war crimes has been committed by Israel will depend on the details of individual events. RaiGuy has referenced, more than once, that IDF snipers killed women and children. On its face, that can't be labeled a war crimes, without further details, because terrorists love to use women and children in war.

All war is awful and certainly, as a civilian, having your own government using you as a human shield, while disallowing you from hiding in the tunnels that would be perfect for protection, has to be frustrating....

...or maybe it isn't because being a martyr guarantees you and your family an eternity in heaven.

Ultimately, Israel is in a no-win situation. They're fighting an enemy for whom the world has no standards while being held to basically impossible standards themselves.

 

[4thgenheel]

Whether or not a 'slew' of war crimes has been committed by Israel will depend on the details of individual events. RaiGuy has referenced, more than once, that IDF snipers killed women and children. On its face, that can't be labeled a war crimes, without further details, because terrorists love to use women and children in war.

All war is awful and certainly, as a civilian, having your own government using you as a human shield, while disallowing you from hiding in the tunnels that would be perfect for protection, has to be frustrating....

...or maybe it isn't because being a martyr guarantees you and your family an eternity in heaven.

Ultimately, Israel is in a no-win situation. They're fighting terrorists for whom the world has no standards while being held to basically impossible standards themselves.

UN investigators say that Israel committed and continues to commit a slew of war crimes. the current blockade/starvation campaign is textbook. destroying all of the medical facilities in gaza is textbook.

hamas sucks but israel contributes greatly to putting themselves in a no-win situation by acting like terrorists for the larger part of the past century, starting with the nakba in 1948.

 

[superrific]

On its face, that can't be labeled a war crimes, without further details, because terrorists love to use women and children in war.

Dude, you know even less about international law than domestic law. You haven't the faintest fucking idea what does or doesn't constitute a war crime. Nobody on this board is an expert in that, to my knowledge, but at least some of us have a clue.

 

[ZenMode]

UN investigators say that Israel committed and continues to commit a slew of war crimes. the current blockade/starvation campaign is textbook. destroying all of the medical facilities in gaza is textbook.

hamas sucks but israel contributes greatly to putting themselves in a no-win situation by acting like terrorists for the larger part of the past century, starting with the nakba in 1948.

"All" of the medical facilities have not been destroyed. The most recent one, that I'm aware of, was in April and part of the hospital was damaged. Of course, nobody cares that Hamas is using hospitals to hide in. Nor does anyone care much that IDF called ahead and told everyone to evacuate before the bombing, so that nobody was killed, besides Hamas, as a result of the bombing.

What is IDF supposed to do if they can't go after Hamas where they hide, while trying their best to limit civilian causalities? Would that not allow Hamas to operate with impunity indefinitely? They can go into Israel, murder all the civilians they want and then run back to the hospitals and churches and schools to hide, right?

 

[ZenMode]

Dude, you know even less about international law than domestic law. You haven't the faintest fucking idea what does or doesn't constitute a war crime. Nobody on this board is an expert in that, to my knowledge, but at least some of us have a clue.

Great, so if Israel is held accountable for killing children used in combat, we should expect Hamas/Gazan government to also be held accountable, right?

I'm laughing as I type that, of course....

 

[RaiGuy]

"All" of the medical facilities have not been destroyed. The most recent one, that I'm aware of, was in April and part of the hospital was damaged. Of course, nobody cares that Hamas is using hospitals to hide in. Nor does anyone care much that IDF called ahead and told everyone to evacuate before the bombing, so that nobody was killed, besides Hamas, as a result of the bombing.

What is IDF supposed to do if they can't go after Hamas where they hide, while trying their best to limit civilian causalities? Would that not allow Hamas to operate with impunity indefinitely? They can go into Israel, murder all the civilians they want and then run back to the hospitals and churches and schools to hide, right?

It would be nice if Israel allowed neutral investigators in rather than have us rely on their word where Hamas is. The only proof has been given by Israel and they have been caught MULTIPLE times lying or fabricating evidence.

 

[superrific]

Great, so if Israel is held accountable for killing children used in combat, we should expect Hamas/Gazan government to also be held accountable, right?

Is it your opinion that Hamas has been insufficiently held accountable? Really? What does that have to do with Israel's plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza? Note that the plan announced today is absolutely, 100% objectively ethnic cleansing.

Ethnic cleansing - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal such as deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction"

 

[ZenMode]

Is it your opinion that Hamas has been insufficiently held accountable? Really?

How have they been held accountable by any international body?

What does that have to do with Israel's plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza? Note that the plan announced today is absolutely, 100% objectively ethnic cleansing.

Ethnic cleansing - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal such as deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction"

Has Israel down any ethnic cleansing so far?

 

[ZZLPHeels]

It would be nice if Israel allowed neutral investigators in rather than have us rely on their word where Hamas is. The only proof has been given by Israel and they have been caught MULTIPLE times lying or fabricating evidence.

That’s simply not plausible in an active warzone. Investigators are not going to dodge bullets to conduct their investigations.

 

[Zoo_View]

Plenty of war correspondents and international journalists would willingly report from Gaza if the Israeli government let them.

 

[hedge]

What's wrong with putting bullets or anything else in an aid bag (or any other type of bag) after it's contents have been removed and presumably consumed as intended? I mean it's not like anybody is going to be fooled into not checking a bag just b/c it's an aid bag...

 

[4thgenheel]

"All" of the medical facilities have not been destroyed. The most recent one, that I'm aware of, was in April and part of the hospital was damaged. Of course, nobody cares that Hamas is using hospitals to hide in. Nor does anyone care much that IDF called ahead and told everyone to evacuate before the bombing, so that nobody was killed, besides Hamas, as a result of the bombing.

What is IDF supposed to do if they can't go after Hamas where they hide, while trying their best to limit civilian causalities? Would that not allow Hamas to operate with impunity indefinitely? They can go into Israel, murder all the civilians they want and then run back to the hospitals and churches and schools to hide, right?

lmao.

Israel and The IDF: Kinda, Sorta, Maybe A Little Bit Better than Bloodthirsty Psycho Terrorist Groups

what a ringing endorsement!

for the 842831954th time, no one here is defending hamas or thinks that they are worth a shit. that you keep comparing Israel favorably to them like its some sort of notable achievement is laughable.

 

[Batt Boy]

Plenty of war correspondents and international journalists would willingly report from Gaza if the Israeli government let them.

Al Jazeera wold like to report from Judea and Samaria, but the PA banned them.

Palestinian Authority suspends Al Jazeera TV channel in West Bank

The Foreign Press Association has said the move "raises serious questions about press freedom".

www.bbc.com

Palestinian Authority shuts down several Al Jazeera digital platforms

The decision came after the PA closed Al Jazeera’s office in the occupied West Bank last week.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Zoo_View]

Al Jazeera wold like to report from Judea and Samaria, but the PA banned them.

Palestinian Authority suspends Al Jazeera TV channel in West Bank

The Foreign Press Association has said the move "raises serious questions about press freedom".

www.bbc.com

Palestinian Authority shuts down several Al Jazeera digital platforms

The decision came after the PA closed Al Jazeera’s office in the occupied West Bank last week.

www.aljazeera.com

Reading those links, it seems that both the Israelis and the Palestinian Authority oppose Al-Jazeera (and other journalists) from freely and openly reporting on the West Bank and Gaza.

Of course, does the Palestinian Authority take a dump without first getting Israel’s permission?

 

[ZZLPHeels]

Plenty of war correspondents and international journalists would willingly report from Gaza if the Israeli government let them.

Those aren’t the investigators that Rai was referring to, I’m presuming.

 

[Zoo_View]

Those aren’t the investigators that Rai was referring to, I’m presuming.

Did I quote him?

 

[ZZLPHeels]

Did I quote him?

No, but that would be a weird conversation to start randomly on your own.

 

[RaiGuy]

Those aren’t the investigators that Rai was referring to, I’m presuming.

Any outside observer, whether press or investigators, is better than nothing. Israel wants to hide their war crimes. They want to control the narrative and play the victim. Or just the Hamas defense where anything they bomb is justified because, you know , Hamas.

 

[ZenMode]

lmao.

Israel and The IDF: Kinda, Sorta, Maybe A Little Bit Better than Bloodthirsty Psycho Terrorist Groups

what a ringing endorsement!

for the 842831954th time, no one here is defending hamas or thinks that they are worth a shit. that you keep comparing Israel favorably to them like its some sort of notable achievement is laughable.

The difference between Hamas/Jihadists and Israel is the difference between good and evil, not just "kinda, sorta" different.

 

[RaiGuy]

The difference between Hamas/Jihadists and Israel is the difference between good and evil, not just "kinda, sorta" different.

In what aspect? The occupier is now the good guy? And before you say anything, I am not implying Hamas is the good guy. The only good people are the civilians caught in the crossfire.