Depending on the type of smoke bombs, they could have been facing attempted arson of an occupied building charges. Those get frowned on pretty heavily.
J6 News Catch-All
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mynameisbond
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I hope pardons bite him in the a$$ somehow. It affirms his utter contempt for the rule of law.
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Of course he does. The assclown orange turd has been elected dictator. The end justifies the means, and the ignorant cultists went right along for the ride.
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‘One of the most violent’ Jan. 6 rioters receives a 20-year prison sentence
David Dempsey assaulted officers on Jan. 6 and stood in front of a gallows, where he called for politicians to be hanged. His is among the longest Capitol riot sentences yet.
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A Donald Trump supporter who stood in front of a gallows and spoke of his desire to hang Democratic politicians before he assaulted numerous police officers during the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was sentenced to 20 years in federal prison Friday.
It's among the longest sentences handed out in a Jan. 6 case to date.
Prosecutors had sought more than 21 years (262 months) for David Dempsey, saying he "viciously" assaulted law...
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GIFT LINK —> ‘A Day of Love’: How Trump Inverted the Violent History of Jan. 6
‘A Day of Love’: How Trump Inverted the Violent History of Jan. 6
The president-elect and his allies have spent four years reinventing the Capitol attack — spreading conspiracy theories and weaving a tale of martyrdom to their ultimate political gain.gtyellowjacket
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Never thought that claiming it wasn't a riot would work with videos of the mob storming the gate. I'm not sure it really has for most people.
I do think Trump has done a masterful job absolving himself of blame for the riot from tepid supporters while wink and nod claiming credit from his more ardent supporters.
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I think the most effective tactic outside MAGA true believers in the Big Lie was to convince people that J6 was just a protest/exercise of grass roots political frustration and no worse than the George Floyd protests and (mostly late night) resulting violence.
Once you strip J6 of its intent and top-down planning by a defeated political leader trying to circumvent election results to remain in power, it is easier to bundle it with the Floyd protests, associate it all with dark COVID times and toss it all in the memory hole. Trump also managed to convince people that all of 2020 counted against Biden, not Trump.
lawtig02
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Yep. From a well-worn playbook, too.
Beer Hall Putsch - Wikipedia
On 26 September 1923, following a period of terror and political violence, Bavarian Prime Minister Eugen von Knilling declared a state of emergency, and Gustav Ritter von Kahr was appointed Staatskomissar ("state commissioner"), with dictatorial powers to govern the state. Along with von Kahr, Bavarian state police chief Colonel Hans Ritter von Seisser and Reichswehr General Otto von Lossow formed a ruling triumvirate. Hitler announced that he would hold 14 mass meetings beginning on 27 September 1923. Afraid of the potential disruption, one of Kahr's first actions was to ban the announced meetings, placing Hitler under pressure to act. The Nazis, with other leaders in the Kampfbund, felt they had to march upoon Berlin and seize power or their followers would turn to the communists.
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Der neunte Elfte (9 November, literally 'the ninth of the eleventh') became one of the most important dates on the Nazi calendar, especially following the seizure of power in 1933. Annually until the fall of Nazi Germany, the putsch would be commemorated nationwide, with the major events taking place in Munich. On the night of 8 November, Hitler would address the Alte Kämpfer ('Old Fighters') in the Bürgerbräukeller (after 1939, the Löwenbräu, in 1944 in the Circus Krone Building), followed the next day by a re-enactment of the march through the streets of Munich. The event would climax with a ceremony recalling the 16 killed on the Königsplatz.
The anniversary could be a time of tension in Nazi Germany. The ceremony was cancelled in 1934, coming as it did after the so-called Night of the Long Knives. In 1938, it coincided with the Kristallnacht, and in 1939 with the attempted assassination of Hitler by Johann Georg Elser. With the outbreak of war in 1939, security concerns caused the re-enactment of the march to be suspended, never to be resumed. However, Hitler continued to deliver his 8 November speech through 1943.
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‘We have our country back’: convicted January 6 rioters anticipate Trump pardons
The president-elect has vowed to hand out pardons to non-violent offenders convicted for the assault on the US Capitol
‘We have our country back’: convicted January 6 rioters anticipate Trump pardons
"...Trump’s jailed followers are counting the days until they receive the absolution Trump has promised. For more than two years, relatives of those charged in the attack and supporters of the former president have gathered on a sidewalk outside Washington DC’s jail for a nightly vigil called “Freedom Corner”, where January 6 is viewed not as an attack on democracy, but a catalyst for unfair government repression.
Trump is now expected to turn the latter narrative into policy as soon as he gets into office. Last Thursday, a handful of activists, watched by no fewer than a half-dozen police cruisers, arrived for the vigil on a frigid night and listened over a portable sound system as January 6 defendants inside the jail and elsewhere called in to express their confidence that Trump would soon end their saga.
... James Grant, a North Carolina man who was found guilty of assaulting officers with a metal bike rack barricade, said the fallout from his conviction was keeping him from pursuing his career, and warned of worse consequences for others if the president-elect does not keep his promise.
“I need a pardon to return to law school,” said Grant, who has been released from prison. “If people are not pardoned, I hate to say it, but there will be suicides. These people are facing so much. What happens these next 20 days is going to change the fate of the world, and in these gentlemen’s lives, this is the biggest few weeks of their lives.”
For all the enthusiasm among Trump’s supporters, a December poll from Monmouth University found that 61% of respondents would disapprove of Trump pardoning people convicted over the Capitol attack.
The president-elect has also said he might pass over those who acted violently, telling Time: “I’m going to do case-by-case, and if they were non-violent … I’m going to look if there’s some that really were out of control.” ..."
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So, a law student was unaware that assaulting an officer might have consequences that would keep him from pursuing a legal career?‘We have our country back’: convicted January 6 rioters anticipate Trump pardons
The president-elect has vowed to hand out pardons to non-violent offenders convicted for the assault on the US Capitolwww.theguardian.com
‘We have our country back’: convicted January 6 rioters anticipate Trump pardons
"...Trump’s jailed followers are counting the days until they receive the absolution Trump has promised. For more than two years, relatives of those charged in the attack and supporters of the former president have gathered on a sidewalk outside Washington DC’s jail for a nightly vigil called “Freedom Corner”, where January 6 is viewed not as an attack on democracy, but a catalyst for unfair government repression.
Trump is now expected to turn the latter narrative into policy as soon as he gets into office. Last Thursday, a handful of activists, watched by no fewer than a half-dozen police cruisers, arrived for the vigil on a frigid night and listened over a portable sound system as January 6 defendants inside the jail and elsewhere called in to express their confidence that Trump would soon end their saga.
... James Grant, a North Carolina man who was found guilty of assaulting officers with a metal bike rack barricade, said the fallout from his conviction was keeping him from pursuing his career, and warned of worse consequences for others if the president-elect does not keep his promise.
“I need a pardon to return to law school,” said Grant, who has been released from prison. “If people are not pardoned, I hate to say it, but there will be suicides. These people are facing so much. What happens these next 20 days is going to change the fate of the world, and in these gentlemen’s lives, this is the biggest few weeks of their lives.”
For all the enthusiasm among Trump’s supporters, a December poll from Monmouth University found that 61% of respondents would disapprove of Trump pardoning people convicted over the Capitol attack.
The president-elect has also said he might pass over those who acted violently, telling Time: “I’m going to do case-by-case, and if they were non-violent … I’m going to look if there’s some that really were out of control.” ..."
I guess they teach that in second semester?
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‘We have our country back’: convicted January 6 rioters anticipate Trump pardons
The president-elect has vowed to hand out pardons to non-violent offenders convicted for the assault on the US Capitol
‘We have our country back’: convicted January 6 rioters anticipate Trump pardons
"...Trump’s jailed followers are counting the days until they receive the absolution Trump has promised. For more than two years, relatives of those charged in the attack and supporters of the former president have gathered on a sidewalk outside Washington DC’s jail for a nightly vigil called “Freedom Corner”, where January 6 is viewed not as an attack on democracy, but a catalyst for unfair government repression.
Trump is now expected to turn the latter narrative into policy as soon as he gets into office. Last Thursday, a handful of activists, watched by no fewer than a half-dozen police cruisers, arrived for the vigil on a frigid night and listened over a portable sound system as January 6 defendants inside the jail and elsewhere called in to express their confidence that Trump would soon end their saga.
... James Grant, a North Carolina man who was found guilty of assaulting officers with a metal bike rack barricade, said the fallout from his conviction was keeping him from pursuing his career, and warned of worse consequences for others if the president-elect does not keep his promise.
“I need a pardon to return to law school,” said Grant, who has been released from prison. “If people are not pardoned, I hate to say it, but there will be suicides. These people are facing so much. What happens these next 20 days is going to change the fate of the world, and in these gentlemen’s lives, this is the biggest few weeks of their lives.”
For all the enthusiasm among Trump’s supporters, a December poll from Monmouth University found that 61% of respondents would disapprove of Trump pardoning people convicted over the Capitol attack.
The president-elect has also said he might pass over those who acted violently, telling Time: “I’m going to do case-by-case, and if they were non-violent … I’m going to look if there’s some that really were out of control.” ..."
"What happens these next 20 days is going to change the fate of the world"
Mr. Grant thinks highly of himself.
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Joe Biden: What Americans should remember about Jan. 6
Four years ago, our democracy was put to the test — and prevailed.“… An unrelenting effort has been underway to rewrite — even erase — the history of that day. To tell us we didn’t see what we all saw with our own eyes. To dismiss concerns about it as some kind of partisan obsession. To explain it away as a protest that just got out of hand.
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This is not what happened.
In time, there will be Americans who didn’t witness the Jan. 6 riot firsthand but will learn about it from footage and testimony of that day, from what is written in history books and from the truth we pass on to our children. We cannot allow the truth to be lost.
Thousands of rioters crossed the National Mall and climbed the Capitol walls, smashing windows and kicking down doors. Just blocks away, a bomb was found near the location of the incoming vice president, threatening her life. Law enforcement officials were beaten, dragged, knocked unconscious and stomped upon. Some police officers ultimately died as a result.
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As president-elect that day, I spoke to the country and called for peace, and for the certification to resume.
Four years later, leaving office, I am determined to do everything I can to respect the peaceful transfer of power and restore the traditions we have long respected in America. The election will be certified peacefully. I have invited the incoming president to the White House on the morning of Jan. 20, and I will be present for his inauguration that afternoon.
But on this day, we cannot forget. This is what we owe those who founded this nation, those who have fought for it and died for it.
And we should commit to remembering Jan. 6, 2021, every year. To remember it as a day when our democracy was put to the test and prevailed. To remember that democracy — even in America — is never guaranteed. …”
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What a goddamned baby. All of them. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. If they want to kill themselves because of a mistake they made, that nobody pushed them into, that was clearly against the law -- that's on them. Nobody should feel bad for these people the slightest bit.
I hope that guy does return to law school. I hope he shells out all that cash, and then finds himself excluded from the bar because he should never under any circumstances be an attorney (given that he continues to express no remorse for his actions).
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No pardon: if you attacked law enforcement on J6 BUT their sentence must be consistent with other rioters who’ve attacked police officers in other riots in the federal system.
Pardon: if your only crime was “trespassing” by simply entering the Capital (often with the encouragement of Capital police) and only charged with disrupting official proceedings.
Good luck to US. Attorney Mathew Graves et al who have resigned and who will soon be investigated for pursuing over 1,500 J6 defendants. Love the mass resignations of the Deep State!
Pardon: if your only crime was “trespassing” by simply entering the Capital (often with the encouragement of Capital police) and only charged with disrupting official proceedings.
Good luck to US. Attorney Mathew Graves et al who have resigned and who will soon be investigated for pursuing over 1,500 J6 defendants. Love the mass resignations of the Deep State!
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Well, it's January 6th. You guys ready to take a peaceful tour of the Capitol?